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		<title>By: Alan Geller</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-227442</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Geller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. I disagree. I&#039;m representing the candidate&#039;s capabilities and the results that the candidate can deliver to the marketplace. If you want to discuss grammar, &quot;a&quot; company will compensate me for the proposed results, not &quot;the&quot; company.

2. There&#039;s a difference between a lack of understanding of grammar and the inability for one to edit their comments after posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I disagree. I&#8217;m representing the candidate&#8217;s capabilities and the results that the candidate can deliver to the marketplace. If you want to discuss grammar, &#8220;a&#8221; company will compensate me for the proposed results, not &#8220;the&#8221; company.</p>
<p>2. There&#8217;s a difference between a lack of understanding of grammar and the inability for one to edit their comments after posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Picles Dan</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-227290</link>
		<dc:creator>Picles Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,
     You don&#039;t represent the individual job hunter, you represent the company.  Saying you &quot;no long work represent him&quot; is shows a disturbing lack of understanding of your fiduciary responsibility (along with a lack of understanding of grammar).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,<br />
     You don&#8217;t represent the individual job hunter, you represent the company.  Saying you &#8220;no long work represent him&#8221; is shows a disturbing lack of understanding of your fiduciary responsibility (along with a lack of understanding of grammar).</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Geller</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19347</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Geller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reader declined the offer with Company A. 

Let&#039;s assume that the hiring manager(s) at Company A and the recruiter have stayed in touch over the years. 

The reader doesn&#039;t have to go in through the headhunter five years after the fact, but imagine this: 

The reader contacts Company A and is told that there&#039;s nothing for him there.

Company A then calls the headhunter to inform him that &quot;That candidate that turned us down five years ago contacted us directly but we don&#039;t have anything for him right now.&quot;

The reader then contacts the headhunter to see if the headhunter can help him.

I&#039;m a headhunter. I had this happen over a two year time horizon (not five). The candidate had serious reservations about the company and criticized the hiring manager&#039;s intelligence and had issues with the work environment, so I had no inkling that he would even consider going back to this company.

That individual burned a bridge with me and I will no longer work represent him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reader declined the offer with Company A. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume that the hiring manager(s) at Company A and the recruiter have stayed in touch over the years. </p>
<p>The reader doesn&#8217;t have to go in through the headhunter five years after the fact, but imagine this: </p>
<p>The reader contacts Company A and is told that there&#8217;s nothing for him there.</p>
<p>Company A then calls the headhunter to inform him that &#8220;That candidate that turned us down five years ago contacted us directly but we don&#8217;t have anything for him right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reader then contacts the headhunter to see if the headhunter can help him.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a headhunter. I had this happen over a two year time horizon (not five). The candidate had serious reservations about the company and criticized the hiring manager&#8217;s intelligence and had issues with the work environment, so I had no inkling that he would even consider going back to this company.</p>
<p>That individual burned a bridge with me and I will no longer work represent him.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeH</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19345</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW: a few headhunters will ask me where I have been submitted. I tell them that that would violate the confidence of the other headhunters as it would provide him with leads of companies to hunt in. Sometimes I have to spell this out for them by asking if they would want me to tell other headhunters about the companies that this headhunter is working with. I tell them that I will confirm whether or not I have already been submitted.

Sometimes I get emails and/or calls from several headhunters about the same position, usually within a few days of each other, so it pays to keep good notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: a few headhunters will ask me where I have been submitted. I tell them that that would violate the confidence of the other headhunters as it would provide him with leads of companies to hunt in. Sometimes I have to spell this out for them by asking if they would want me to tell other headhunters about the companies that this headhunter is working with. I tell them that I will confirm whether or not I have already been submitted.</p>
<p>Sometimes I get emails and/or calls from several headhunters about the same position, usually within a few days of each other, so it pays to keep good notes.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeH</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19344</link>
		<dc:creator>LeeH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Past experience
- I was referred to one company by a headhunter. The company was wondering if I had submitted directly and searched the last 6 months of resumes in an attempt to avoid the headhunters fee by saying that I was already on file. I don&#039;t consider this very ethical as the company was not interested in me until the headhunter made a convincing argument 0 and I feel that he earned his fee. Fortunately the company could not find the resume so the headhunter got his fee - but I was a little uncomfortable with the company&#039;s unethical attempt to avoid it.

- Once a headhunter referred me to a company, only to find out at the interview that another headhunter had submitted my resume (without my approval). I told the headhunter that submitted without my approval to tell me if there were any other submissions and remove my resume from my system. 

-  I now have a notice on my homepage and in any resumes sent to recruiters &quot;Note to agencies: All submittals of name or resume by agencies must be registered and cleared with me prior to submission to client companies in order to avoid submissions by multiple agencies to the same company. Agencies that fail to do this are not authorized to represent me.&quot; I have had a few agencies tell me that they can not release the client name. I tell them that without the client&#039;s name I will not authorize release of information. I also mention that I would be willing to sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) if necessary. I also tell them that I will not provide the information to any other headhunter, except to say that I have already been submitted to a potential client.

Any comments on my policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Past experience<br />
- I was referred to one company by a headhunter. The company was wondering if I had submitted directly and searched the last 6 months of resumes in an attempt to avoid the headhunters fee by saying that I was already on file. I don&#8217;t consider this very ethical as the company was not interested in me until the headhunter made a convincing argument 0 and I feel that he earned his fee. Fortunately the company could not find the resume so the headhunter got his fee &#8211; but I was a little uncomfortable with the company&#8217;s unethical attempt to avoid it.</p>
<p>- Once a headhunter referred me to a company, only to find out at the interview that another headhunter had submitted my resume (without my approval). I told the headhunter that submitted without my approval to tell me if there were any other submissions and remove my resume from my system. </p>
<p>-  I now have a notice on my homepage and in any resumes sent to recruiters &#8220;Note to agencies: All submittals of name or resume by agencies must be registered and cleared with me prior to submission to client companies in order to avoid submissions by multiple agencies to the same company. Agencies that fail to do this are not authorized to represent me.&#8221; I have had a few agencies tell me that they can not release the client name. I tell them that without the client&#8217;s name I will not authorize release of information. I also mention that I would be willing to sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) if necessary. I also tell them that I will not provide the information to any other headhunter, except to say that I have already been submitted to a potential client.</p>
<p>Any comments on my policies?</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19331</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, after five years it might seem out of place. But I would be inclined to start with the headhunter, just in case there is still an active relationship between the headhunter and the company. There&#039;s no harm if there isn&#039;t and it may be the correct protocl if there is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, after five years it might seem out of place. But I would be inclined to start with the headhunter, just in case there is still an active relationship between the headhunter and the company. There&#8217;s no harm if there isn&#8217;t and it may be the correct protocl if there is.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19326</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always amazed at the misconceptions people have about headhunters. Let&#039;s talk about the most basic fact about headhunters:

A headhunter is always paid by the employer to find a worker, not by a worker to find a job. In this case, if the employer were trying to hire through a headhunter, the headhunter would be the one to notify our reader about the open job. Clearly, that&#039;s not the case. She owes the headhunter nothing unless he has been in touch with her regularly.

Next, consider the employer. If she were to &quot;do a courtesy&quot; by contacting her old headhunter so he could schedule an interview for a job she would otherwise pursue on her own, she&#039;s doing the employer a disservice. If the employer accepted the referral through the headhunter, it would owe him a fee. For what? He didn&#039;t bring the applicant to the company; she brought him into the picture.

Finally, there is a good point made about maintaining good long-term relationships with good headhunters. Sometimes these relationships take years to pay off. If she had stayed in regular contact with that headhunter, she might have been referred by him to several other jobs during those 5 years.

The one plausible reason for going to the headhunter is because he once had a good relationship with the company, and that might facilitate our reader getting back in the door. What I don&#039;t understand is why, if the reader earned an offer from Company A the first time around, the headhunter didn&#039;t stay in close contact with her... to capitalize on her future interest in A. She was a good bet that the headhunter missed.

It&#039;s true that the headhunter might have an &quot;inside track&quot; on a new position at the company. But it&#039;s also true that IF the headhunter is working on this position, he might have another #1 candidate lined up, and working through him on this could actually diminish the reader&#039;s chances at the job.

It&#039;s a huge stretch to go back 5 years and call on a headhunter who has nothing to do with a job opportunity for this reader.

My advice: If she thinks the headhunter might actually help her with this, she might ask him whether he&#039;s working on the position. But if she feels she has some obligation, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s true.

My two bits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at the misconceptions people have about headhunters. Let&#8217;s talk about the most basic fact about headhunters:</p>
<p>A headhunter is always paid by the employer to find a worker, not by a worker to find a job. In this case, if the employer were trying to hire through a headhunter, the headhunter would be the one to notify our reader about the open job. Clearly, that&#8217;s not the case. She owes the headhunter nothing unless he has been in touch with her regularly.</p>
<p>Next, consider the employer. If she were to &#8220;do a courtesy&#8221; by contacting her old headhunter so he could schedule an interview for a job she would otherwise pursue on her own, she&#8217;s doing the employer a disservice. If the employer accepted the referral through the headhunter, it would owe him a fee. For what? He didn&#8217;t bring the applicant to the company; she brought him into the picture.</p>
<p>Finally, there is a good point made about maintaining good long-term relationships with good headhunters. Sometimes these relationships take years to pay off. If she had stayed in regular contact with that headhunter, she might have been referred by him to several other jobs during those 5 years.</p>
<p>The one plausible reason for going to the headhunter is because he once had a good relationship with the company, and that might facilitate our reader getting back in the door. What I don&#8217;t understand is why, if the reader earned an offer from Company A the first time around, the headhunter didn&#8217;t stay in close contact with her&#8230; to capitalize on her future interest in A. She was a good bet that the headhunter missed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that the headhunter might have an &#8220;inside track&#8221; on a new position at the company. But it&#8217;s also true that IF the headhunter is working on this position, he might have another #1 candidate lined up, and working through him on this could actually diminish the reader&#8217;s chances at the job.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a huge stretch to go back 5 years and call on a headhunter who has nothing to do with a job opportunity for this reader.</p>
<p>My advice: If she thinks the headhunter might actually help her with this, she might ask him whether he&#8217;s working on the position. But if she feels she has some obligation, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>My two bits!</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19325</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You owe him nothing. It&#039;s been 5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You owe him nothing. It&#8217;s been 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Miller</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19323</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you and the headhunter have maintained a relationship over the five years, sure you owe him a call, it&#039;s known as common courtesy. If you have not stayed in touch (he didn&#039;t call, you blew him off,he&#039;s at a different company &amp; didn&#039;t steal your file when he left,etc) then why should you call him?
Experienced headhunters try their best to maintain good relations with good clients and good candidates.Headhunting is Sales and Sales depends on relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you and the headhunter have maintained a relationship over the five years, sure you owe him a call, it&#8217;s known as common courtesy. If you have not stayed in touch (he didn&#8217;t call, you blew him off,he&#8217;s at a different company &amp; didn&#8217;t steal your file when he left,etc) then why should you call him?<br />
Experienced headhunters try their best to maintain good relations with good clients and good candidates.Headhunting is Sales and Sales depends on relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1067/readers-forum-what-do-i-owe-the-headhunter/comment-page-1#comment-19320</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While you do not have any obligation to the original headhunter, your situation brings up a concern of my own.  You made a decision to stay with Company B instead of accepting an offer from A, if there were any contractual obligations you should have settled at that time. If you feel the headhunter preformed for you refer them.  

One point to consider, did you make a good decision going with Company B five years ago?  This question underscores an area of personal concern.  I am currently presented with several opportunities and need to make a decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you do not have any obligation to the original headhunter, your situation brings up a concern of my own.  You made a decision to stay with Company B instead of accepting an offer from A, if there were any contractual obligations you should have settled at that time. If you feel the headhunter preformed for you refer them.  </p>
<p>One point to consider, did you make a good decision going with Company B five years ago?  This question underscores an area of personal concern.  I am currently presented with several opportunities and need to make a decision.</p>
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