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		<title>By: FlyTheCoop</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-59409</link>
		<dc:creator>FlyTheCoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of September 3, TheLadders.co.uk is still promoting itself on the home page as &quot;The best way to find only £50k+ jobs&quot; and &quot;Only £50k+ jobs&quot;, and &quot;Browse ONLY £50,000 plus jobs!&quot; on its sign up page. This is the UK arm of TheLadders - the £50k being the UK equivalent of the $100k claim in the US.

There&#039;s a tiny, tiny disclaimer (not referenced from the claims themselves) that says &quot;£50k+ is a good faith estimate based on extensive research of the market examining the qualifications, responsibilities and other factors typically associated with this salary level. Where no salary is given with a particular job applicants should check this direct with the advertiser/employer to avoid disappointment.&quot;

It should say &quot;When we say £50k+, we mean that we have looked at the job title of a job vacancy we have taken from another site without the employer&#039;s knowledge, and guessed at the likely salary based on a free salary survey book. Hope you consider that to be a premium service worth paying for.&quot;

It seems TheLadders UK still think they can get away with it ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of September 3, TheLadders.co.uk is still promoting itself on the home page as &#8220;The best way to find only £50k+ jobs&#8221; and &#8220;Only £50k+ jobs&#8221;, and &#8220;Browse ONLY £50,000 plus jobs!&#8221; on its sign up page. This is the UK arm of TheLadders &#8211; the £50k being the UK equivalent of the $100k claim in the US.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a tiny, tiny disclaimer (not referenced from the claims themselves) that says &#8220;£50k+ is a good faith estimate based on extensive research of the market examining the qualifications, responsibilities and other factors typically associated with this salary level. Where no salary is given with a particular job applicants should check this direct with the advertiser/employer to avoid disappointment.&#8221;</p>
<p>It should say &#8220;When we say £50k+, we mean that we have looked at the job title of a job vacancy we have taken from another site without the employer&#8217;s knowledge, and guessed at the likely salary based on a free salary survey book. Hope you consider that to be a premium service worth paying for.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems TheLadders UK still think they can get away with it &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-53129</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@paddy: TheLadders has finally removed the &quot;only $100k+ jobs&quot; claim from its website.

What does that tell you? In a word, TheLadders has been making fraudulent claims for a long time. People who post their Ladders stories here helped expose the fraud.

TheLadders grows because people are desperate for jobs. That doesn&#039;t prove anything about the quality of TheLadders&#039; services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@paddy: TheLadders has finally removed the &#8220;only $100k+ jobs&#8221; claim from its website.</p>
<p>What does that tell you? In a word, TheLadders has been making fraudulent claims for a long time. People who post their Ladders stories here helped expose the fraud.</p>
<p>TheLadders grows because people are desperate for jobs. That doesn&#8217;t prove anything about the quality of TheLadders&#8217; services.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-53100</link>
		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as someone who has used their resume service i am utterly mystified about bobrobert&#039;s &quot;friend&quot; who received a resume full of factual errors.the resume service   is a collaborative process between the writer and the client. 

bobroberts claims his friend received a &quot;doctored&quot; resume back from theladders - that is nonsense. this gratuitous bashing is contemptible and laughably transparent as the work of a few angry jilted ex employees and jealous competitors.. there is clearly a circle of people at work here who have taken it upon themselves to write derogatory remarks under various guises about theladders.

the fact remains that theladders is enormously successful as a business model. why? because millions of people are using their service to get jobs. and jobs they are getting hence theladders keeps growing. some of these posts like bobrobert&#039;s contribution are laughingly obvious for what they really are. petty jealous rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as someone who has used their resume service i am utterly mystified about bobrobert&#8217;s &#8220;friend&#8221; who received a resume full of factual errors.the resume service   is a collaborative process between the writer and the client. </p>
<p>bobroberts claims his friend received a &#8220;doctored&#8221; resume back from theladders &#8211; that is nonsense. this gratuitous bashing is contemptible and laughably transparent as the work of a few angry jilted ex employees and jealous competitors.. there is clearly a circle of people at work here who have taken it upon themselves to write derogatory remarks under various guises about theladders.</p>
<p>the fact remains that theladders is enormously successful as a business model. why? because millions of people are using their service to get jobs. and jobs they are getting hence theladders keeps growing. some of these posts like bobrobert&#8217;s contribution are laughingly obvious for what they really are. petty jealous rants.</p>
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		<title>By: bobroberts</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-53084</link>
		<dc:creator>bobroberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is even mentioning their &quot;resume&quot; service. A friend was hooked into The Ladders and they offered a free analysis of his resume. In the end he ponied up another $800 for their rewrite; I am neither an HR specialist nor an English major, but what they returned was no improvement, was full of factual errors (probably from too much cut&amp;paste), and not at all superior to the original. He did eventually get his $100K+ job, but not thru them or from their doctored resume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is even mentioning their &#8220;resume&#8221; service. A friend was hooked into The Ladders and they offered a free analysis of his resume. In the end he ponied up another $800 for their rewrite; I am neither an HR specialist nor an English major, but what they returned was no improvement, was full of factual errors (probably from too much cut&amp;paste), and not at all superior to the original. He did eventually get his $100K+ job, but not thru them or from their doctored resume.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-52839</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@paddy s: I think it&#039;s beyond suspicion. Many people have posted their Ladders stories here and elsewhere. There&#039;s a handful of positive comments, and a boatload of negative ones. Many, many people have gotten burned and they&#039;re angery. The nature of TheLadders&#039; advertising angers people who tried the service, kept getting charged, and came up dry - after they realized the reality didn&#039;t match the promotion. I don&#039;t think the outcome of any experience with TheLadders has anything to do with who is a &quot;1st rate player&quot; or a &quot;2nd rate player.&quot; It has to do with the customer experience - and it&#039;s enormously negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@paddy s: I think it&#8217;s beyond suspicion. Many people have posted their Ladders stories here and elsewhere. There&#8217;s a handful of positive comments, and a boatload of negative ones. Many, many people have gotten burned and they&#8217;re angery. The nature of TheLadders&#8217; advertising angers people who tried the service, kept getting charged, and came up dry &#8211; after they realized the reality didn&#8217;t match the promotion. I don&#8217;t think the outcome of any experience with TheLadders has anything to do with who is a &#8220;1st rate player&#8221; or a &#8220;2nd rate player.&#8221; It has to do with the customer experience &#8211; and it&#8217;s enormously negative.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy s</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-52492</link>
		<dc:creator>paddy s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s quite unreal the level of suspicion, vitriol, anger and ill will that many people here feel against anyone who says anything positive about theladders. i&#039;m beginning to form the opinion that jsfingered et al are probably 2nd rate players in the job posting business who are feeling the heat of professional competition. anybody care to reply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s quite unreal the level of suspicion, vitriol, anger and ill will that many people here feel against anyone who says anything positive about theladders. i&#8217;m beginning to form the opinion that jsfingered et al are probably 2nd rate players in the job posting business who are feeling the heat of professional competition. anybody care to reply?</p>
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		<title>By: jsfingered</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsfingered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jsfinger:

Clearly you work at The Ladders.

If not, please direct us to your profile on LinkedIn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jsfinger:</p>
<p>Clearly you work at The Ladders.</p>
<p>If not, please direct us to your profile on LinkedIn.</p>
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		<title>By: jfsinger</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-52379</link>
		<dc:creator>jfsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article and comments.  My experience with The Ladders was very positive.  I found my job advertised on Sales Ladder, applied, competed with several others in the interview process, won the job, and am now being paid $150K plus bonus/commission.  

I&#039;m a valid $100k+ candidate who found a valid $100K+ job.

I&#039;m now beginning to &quot;test the waters&quot; for a new position and was doing some research on The Ladders when I found Nick&#039;s site.  Because of my success I&#039;m prone to renew my $30/mo subscription, which seems to be very reasonable.  

What would you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article and comments.  My experience with The Ladders was very positive.  I found my job advertised on Sales Ladder, applied, competed with several others in the interview process, won the job, and am now being paid $150K plus bonus/commission.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a valid $100k+ candidate who found a valid $100K+ job.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now beginning to &#8220;test the waters&#8221; for a new position and was doing some research on The Ladders when I found Nick&#8217;s site.  Because of my success I&#8217;m prone to renew my $30/mo subscription, which seems to be very reasonable.  </p>
<p>What would you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-49897</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 01:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Helen: Thanks for the HR perspective. I think you summarize what a lot of HR folks think. Ladders has squandered its edge. The company clearly cannot make a go of it without scraping other job boards for listings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Helen: Thanks for the HR perspective. I think you summarize what a lot of HR folks think. Ladders has squandered its edge. The company clearly cannot make a go of it without scraping other job boards for listings.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Allsopp</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1390/theladders-job-board-salary-fraud/comment-page-2#comment-49890</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Allsopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an HR Director who has posted two recent jobs on The Ladders website.  When placing my first posting, I asked about the $100k salary requirement.  I was told that it doesn&#039;t have to be base salary but could be base plus value of benefits (i.e. a &#039;package&#039; value).  Therefore, a $65k job could end up being advertised at $100k - assuming new hire signed up for all benefits and had a large family!

At best, it seems to be bending the rules since job applicants expect at least $100k base salary because it is promised.  Due to this, I don&#039;t post jobs paying less than $100k despite reassurance from The Ladders sales staff that it&#039;s OK. 

I don&#039;t like the idea that they advertise jobs that haven&#039;t been deliberately posted with them.  It makes their service appear trashy and lacking in value.  It&#039;s a shame because they have potential to be a highly respected resource for employers/ job seekers.

Although I&#039;m not going to immediately stop posting with Ladders - it won&#039;t be my only recruitment source.  As with anything else, if it doesn&#039;t produce results they won&#039;t get repeat business from me.  

With regard to my two recent job postings on Ladders - it did not produce the candidates that I was looking for.  Instead, I networked with my own employees and used their contacts to find suitable candidates, which proved more fruitful.

Best wishes to everyone who is job searching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an HR Director who has posted two recent jobs on The Ladders website.  When placing my first posting, I asked about the $100k salary requirement.  I was told that it doesn&#8217;t have to be base salary but could be base plus value of benefits (i.e. a &#8216;package&#8217; value).  Therefore, a $65k job could end up being advertised at $100k &#8211; assuming new hire signed up for all benefits and had a large family!</p>
<p>At best, it seems to be bending the rules since job applicants expect at least $100k base salary because it is promised.  Due to this, I don&#8217;t post jobs paying less than $100k despite reassurance from The Ladders sales staff that it&#8217;s OK. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the idea that they advertise jobs that haven&#8217;t been deliberately posted with them.  It makes their service appear trashy and lacking in value.  It&#8217;s a shame because they have potential to be a highly respected resource for employers/ job seekers.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m not going to immediately stop posting with Ladders &#8211; it won&#8217;t be my only recruitment source.  As with anything else, if it doesn&#8217;t produce results they won&#8217;t get repeat business from me.  </p>
<p>With regard to my two recent job postings on Ladders &#8211; it did not produce the candidates that I was looking for.  Instead, I networked with my own employees and used their contacts to find suitable candidates, which proved more fruitful.</p>
<p>Best wishes to everyone who is job searching.</p>
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