Comments on: How to apply for a job: The Working Resume http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume The insider's edge on job search & hiring™ | Copyright © 2011 North Bridge Group, Inc. All rights reserved. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:13:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: brent the gooch http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-30557 brent the gooch Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:19:35 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-30557 Hey Nick. Do you have any tips for professionals with a crimnal history. Brent Hey Nick. Do you have any tips for professionals with a crimnal history.

Brent

]]> By: Ayodeji http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-28797 Ayodeji Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:46:44 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-28797 Nick - While it is true that this kind of resume will not make it past the Clones that run recruitment agencies, it surely does a lot for the job hunter himself. To actually write this working resume: - you have to dig deep and assess yourself, are you just a freeloader looking for money, or are you really able to do stuff that someone will be glad to pay you for? - Did you just go through cheat-sheets and get some paper certification or are you willing to stand in front of your peers and be tested. - In short, can you really do the business. If you can, then be confident enough to tell it to those who will pay for your services. If you are a badass, be ready to kickass. No one should skip the fact though that while Da Vinci made serious claims, he did not present it in an arrogant manner. That fine balance, is the key to this kind of resume I think... Nick – While it is true that this kind of resume will not make it past the Clones that run recruitment agencies, it surely does a lot for the job hunter himself. To actually write this working resume:
- you have to dig deep and assess yourself, are you just a freeloader looking for money, or are you really able to do stuff that someone will be glad to pay you for?
- Did you just go through cheat-sheets and get some paper certification or are you willing to stand in front of your peers and be tested.
- In short, can you really do the business. If you can, then be confident enough to tell it to those who will pay for your services. If you are a badass, be ready to kickass.

No one should skip the fact though that while Da Vinci made serious claims, he did not present it in an arrogant manner. That fine balance, is the key to this kind of resume I think…

]]> By: Nick Corcodilos http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-28636 Nick Corcodilos Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:53:37 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-28636 @Carla: Now you're getting it. The working resume doesn't get digested by the machine because you don't give it to the machine. Why do you want to search for a job with a piece of paper that has the equivalent of a UPC code on it? Why do you want machines to process you? Your last sentence is the point. You must get your info into the hands of the person making the decision. Why pretend otherwise? Just because there's a system that wants you to behave like a piece of paper waiting to be called forth to the shredder, doesn't mean you have to go along. As you seem to imply, that method isn't very good. So why play along when there are other ways? @Carla: Now you’re getting it. The working resume doesn’t get digested by the machine because you don’t give it to the machine. Why do you want to search for a job with a piece of paper that has the equivalent of a UPC code on it? Why do you want machines to process you?

Your last sentence is the point. You must get your info into the hands of the person making the decision. Why pretend otherwise?

Just because there’s a system that wants you to behave like a piece of paper waiting to be called forth to the shredder, doesn’t mean you have to go along. As you seem to imply, that method isn’t very good. So why play along when there are other ways?

]]> By: Carla Bobka http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-28591 Carla Bobka Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:49:39 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-28591 Nick-nice idea. Now explain how the working resume gets digested by the HR technocrunch profile matching machine? We're in 2010, if you can't be digested into that machine, your only getting into a start-up. Leonardo's idea is great to carry into the meeting. Until you can get the doc into a person's hands, you are out of luck. Nick-nice idea. Now explain how the working resume gets digested by the HR technocrunch profile matching machine? We’re in 2010, if you can’t be digested into that machine, your only getting into a start-up.

Leonardo’s idea is great to carry into the meeting. Until you can get the doc into a person’s hands, you are out of luck.

]]> By: Nick Corcodilos http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-28486 Nick Corcodilos Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:49:16 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-28486 @rick: Thanks for the heads up. http://corcodilos.com/blog/1590/theladders-would-davinci-buy-a-resume-from-marc-cenedella @rick: Thanks for the heads up.

http://corcodilos.com/blog/1590/theladders-would-davinci-buy-a-resume-from-marc-cenedella

]]> By: Ask The Headhunter® | Nick Corcodilos – TheLadders: Would DaVinci buy a resume from Marc Cenedella? http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-28485 Ask The Headhunter® | Nick Corcodilos – TheLadders: Would DaVinci buy a resume from Marc Cenedella? Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:48:18 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-28485 [...] TheLadders: Would DaVinci buy a resume from Marc Cenedella?Readers’ Forum: Better to be unemployed when job hunting?How to Say It: My degree beats your certification!The Preemptive ReferenceWhat do your job interviews sound like?How to Say It: You want me to start WHEN?Readers’ Forum: When to tell allTheLadders: Job-board salary fraud?How to Say It: Boo! to the employerHow to apply for a job: The Working Resume [...] [...] TheLadders: Would DaVinci buy a resume from Marc Cenedella?Readers’ Forum: Better to be unemployed when job hunting?How to Say It: My degree beats your certification!The Preemptive ReferenceWhat do your job interviews sound like?How to Say It: You want me to start WHEN?Readers’ Forum: When to tell allTheLadders: Job-board salary fraud?How to Say It: Boo! to the employerHow to apply for a job: The Working Resume [...]

]]> By: rick http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-28464 rick Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:41:19 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-28464 Nick – I trust you are on Mark Cenedella’s email list, and have received this morning’s pep talk from him… er you… seeing as its a copy of this post. Now we know that Cenedella reads this website… Hey Mark, I want a job that pays 100k give or take!!!! Rick Nick – I trust you are on Mark Cenedella’s email list, and have received this morning’s pep talk from him… er you… seeing as its a copy of this post.

Now we know that Cenedella reads this website…

Hey Mark, I want a job that pays 100k give or take!!!!

Rick

]]> By: Nick Corcodilos http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-27709 Nick Corcodilos Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:45:48 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-27709 @Jeff Wang: Point taken about snake oil. But this cuts both ways. Employers routinely waste job applicants' time by interviewing them without any indication that they intend to hire. A seasoned expert in publishing recently told me she went through 12 interviews... before being told she wasn't right for the job. They didn't realize this after 6? Still, I get your point. Good judgment is necessary no matter how you approach hiring (or job hunting). @Jeff Wang: Point taken about snake oil. But this cuts both ways. Employers routinely waste job applicants’ time by interviewing them without any indication that they intend to hire. A seasoned expert in publishing recently told me she went through 12 interviews… before being told she wasn’t right for the job. They didn’t realize this after 6? Still, I get your point. Good judgment is necessary no matter how you approach hiring (or job hunting).

]]> By: Jeff Wang http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-27699 Jeff Wang Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:52:46 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-27699 @Nick, Oh, also, "just try me out" is the domain of snake oil salesman. One of the biggest moneymakers on late night television is the "your money back" guarantee. Because of laziness, inertia, and whatever, it has been scientifically proven that people tend to keep what they get, regardless of fitness to the utility. "Just try me out" in most companies will result in many people that kind-of-can-do-the-job, but very few that is a good fit. (IMO, of course.) @Nick, Oh, also, “just try me out” is the domain of snake oil salesman.

One of the biggest moneymakers on late night television is the “your money back” guarantee. Because of laziness, inertia, and whatever, it has been scientifically proven that people tend to keep what they get, regardless of fitness to the utility. “Just try me out” in most companies will result in many people that kind-of-can-do-the-job, but very few that is a good fit.

(IMO, of course.)

]]> By: Jeff Wang http://corcodilos.com/blog/1468/how-to-apply-for-a-job-the-working-resume/comment-page-1#comment-27697 Jeff Wang Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:48:04 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/?p=1468#comment-27697 @Nick, I did miss it, however, it doesn't matter to me. I work with 3-6 month timeframes. "tryouts" need at least a month, at which point I may not be able to recover if the "tryout" fails. Resumes and interviews gives me a verifiable way to say "Ok, I can do this" or "I don't know this technology, but I can learn/I've used similar things before." Time is money. Or rather, time means (un)successful projects, which may mean money. I'd rather spend 2-4 hours on multiple candidates up front than to spend 1 month elapsed time and have to fire the guy. @Nick, I did miss it, however, it doesn’t matter to me.

I work with 3-6 month timeframes. “tryouts” need at least a month, at which point I may not be able to recover if the “tryout” fails. Resumes and interviews gives me a verifiable way to say “Ok, I can do this” or “I don’t know this technology, but I can learn/I’ve used similar things before.”

Time is money. Or rather, time means (un)successful projects, which may mean money. I’d rather spend 2-4 hours on multiple candidates up front than to spend 1 month elapsed time and have to fire the guy.

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