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		<title>By: J Smith</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28645</link>
		<dc:creator>J Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re change of jobs and the appearance of job-hopping (Greg), this is something I had to deal with during my last search.  I had been with the company for 2 years in a management position, and then was moved into another position (consultant, not management, not happy about that one!) and the entire division was sold off.  Just as the economy headed south.

So, my job history looked like 2 yrs in one company followed by 3 months in another, in an entirely different role.  Not only a job-hopper but also a role-hopper (I could already imagine the rejections from the recruiter - my management skills &#039;weren&#039;t current enough&#039;...).

In my resume I rolled the 2 companies together and listed all the positions I had held (after about 2.5 years I got to 4). ie:
-Company A/Company B 2006-2008
--Position 1
--Position 2

....and explained the detail in the interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re change of jobs and the appearance of job-hopping (Greg), this is something I had to deal with during my last search.  I had been with the company for 2 years in a management position, and then was moved into another position (consultant, not management, not happy about that one!) and the entire division was sold off.  Just as the economy headed south.</p>
<p>So, my job history looked like 2 yrs in one company followed by 3 months in another, in an entirely different role.  Not only a job-hopper but also a role-hopper (I could already imagine the rejections from the recruiter &#8211; my management skills &#8216;weren&#8217;t current enough&#8217;&#8230;).</p>
<p>In my resume I rolled the 2 companies together and listed all the positions I had held (after about 2.5 years I got to 4). ie:<br />
-Company A/Company B 2006-2008<br />
&#8211;Position 1<br />
&#8211;Position 2</p>
<p>&#8230;.and explained the detail in the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Sher</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28133</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Sher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick: Barnes and Noble doesnt sell your book.
Its available on Amazon and its affiliates.
  &quot;B&amp;N says its out of print&quot;.
As Uncle H used to say-No Good No Good.
Be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick: Barnes and Noble doesnt sell your book.<br />
Its available on Amazon and its affiliates.<br />
  &#8220;B&amp;N says its out of print&#8221;.<br />
As Uncle H used to say-No Good No Good.<br />
Be well.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28129</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JB King: There&#039;s a profound point in what you say:

**I&#039;d wonder how many places that are looking to hire people would be prepared for someone to start in the following timeframes: The next hour, the next day, the next week, the next month, the next quarter, the next year, the next decade.**

How many employers really think about this when they hire? How many consider that their hiring method should be adjusted depending on their objective. And take this a step farther - how quickly do they need a new employee to come up to speed? The tradeoff could be worth a lot of money: Do you pay high to get someone who can hit the ground running, or can you afford to let the person ramp up and thus hire someone not so expensive (but a fast learner)?

Do managers think about this so finely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JB King: There&#8217;s a profound point in what you say:</p>
<p>**I&#8217;d wonder how many places that are looking to hire people would be prepared for someone to start in the following timeframes: The next hour, the next day, the next week, the next month, the next quarter, the next year, the next decade.**</p>
<p>How many employers really think about this when they hire? How many consider that their hiring method should be adjusted depending on their objective. And take this a step farther &#8211; how quickly do they need a new employee to come up to speed? The tradeoff could be worth a lot of money: Do you pay high to get someone who can hit the ground running, or can you afford to let the person ramp up and thus hire someone not so expensive (but a fast learner)?</p>
<p>Do managers think about this so finely?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Walker</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28124</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you do contract work, aren&#039;t you filing a Schedule C?  That makes you self employed.  List that on your resume, Vern&#039;s Consulting or whatever.   Prepare a separate &#039;Client List&#039; for those employers who want to know who your customers have been.  A resume is not a complete biograpy, it&#039;s a marketing tool (Nick might say not a very effective one) designed to generate interest on the part of an employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do contract work, aren&#8217;t you filing a Schedule C?  That makes you self employed.  List that on your resume, Vern&#8217;s Consulting or whatever.   Prepare a separate &#8216;Client List&#8217; for those employers who want to know who your customers have been.  A resume is not a complete biograpy, it&#8217;s a marketing tool (Nick might say not a very effective one) designed to generate interest on the part of an employer.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hunt</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28121</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 2004-2005 timeframe, I was doing contracts just to put food on the tabke - searching for a full-time gig, of course.  I ended up lumping the three separate contracts I had - with different employers - under one category called &quot;CONTRACT EMPLOYMENT&quot;.

Most, not all but most, employers understand that contracts tend to be short-term by nature.  By collating sequential contracts you address that issue.

At least, this seems to have worked for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 2004-2005 timeframe, I was doing contracts just to put food on the tabke &#8211; searching for a full-time gig, of course.  I ended up lumping the three separate contracts I had &#8211; with different employers &#8211; under one category called &#8220;CONTRACT EMPLOYMENT&#8221;.</p>
<p>Most, not all but most, employers understand that contracts tend to be short-term by nature.  By collating sequential contracts you address that issue.</p>
<p>At least, this seems to have worked for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeane. I was a contractor on a contract that was sold 4 times in 4 years. However, I stayed with the client the entire time.

On my resume, I list 4 years with the client. At the interview, when we discuss my work history, I explain that technically, I worked 4 jobs in 4 year, but the client wanted me to stay each time the contact changed hands.

I also have a list of each employer, contact info, etc. to make it easy to verify the work history.

My now boss was impressed that the client wanted to keep me, change in contract owner is always a good time to dump the dead weight.

So, are there some clients you have had a long history with? List them as employers on your resume (remember, the resume gets you an interview, not a job). During the interview, clarify that you were not employed, you had working relationship with someone who could have terminated it at any time with no negative repercussions (unemployment, etc.). That says a lot about the loyalty you build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeane. I was a contractor on a contract that was sold 4 times in 4 years. However, I stayed with the client the entire time.</p>
<p>On my resume, I list 4 years with the client. At the interview, when we discuss my work history, I explain that technically, I worked 4 jobs in 4 year, but the client wanted me to stay each time the contact changed hands.</p>
<p>I also have a list of each employer, contact info, etc. to make it easy to verify the work history.</p>
<p>My now boss was impressed that the client wanted to keep me, change in contract owner is always a good time to dump the dead weight.</p>
<p>So, are there some clients you have had a long history with? List them as employers on your resume (remember, the resume gets you an interview, not a job). During the interview, clarify that you were not employed, you had working relationship with someone who could have terminated it at any time with no negative repercussions (unemployment, etc.). That says a lot about the loyalty you build.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeane</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28076</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been working temp/contract work for years. Not because that is the way I planned it, more because I need to work to pay bills. It looks bad on a resume because it does look like I am jumping around, but that is the way of the world these days. When I see an ad that says looking for a person with long-term employment history, I do have one, it was for 16 years at a global company, but that was also many years ago. I ask myself what the best way to present &quot;me&quot; and get a shrug. I have a strong belief that you should never cancel a contract because that could permanently end an excellent relationship, on the other hand it has been tempting recently because I need a &quot;real&quot; job for all the benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working temp/contract work for years. Not because that is the way I planned it, more because I need to work to pay bills. It looks bad on a resume because it does look like I am jumping around, but that is the way of the world these days. When I see an ad that says looking for a person with long-term employment history, I do have one, it was for 16 years at a global company, but that was also many years ago. I ask myself what the best way to present &#8220;me&#8221; and get a shrug. I have a strong belief that you should never cancel a contract because that could permanently end an excellent relationship, on the other hand it has been tempting recently because I need a &#8220;real&#8221; job for all the benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Fortune</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28075</link>
		<dc:creator>Fortune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The job hunting world has been completely turned upside down, that&#039;s for sure. But in this day and age, almost everybody has changed jobs frequently, or been hit by the recession, and possibly laid off. I wouldn&#039;t say, &quot;Oh, don&#039;t worry about how being unemployed will look.&quot; It does matter to some managers. But I think there&#039;s less of a stigma about being unemployed and looking for a job now. In fact, in any kind of economy, you need to get your a-- out there and look. Period. Don&#039;t let being unemployed hamper your search too much. Hey, if you were ready to date again after a breakup, wouldn&#039;t you be out there looking for love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The job hunting world has been completely turned upside down, that&#8217;s for sure. But in this day and age, almost everybody has changed jobs frequently, or been hit by the recession, and possibly laid off. I wouldn&#8217;t say, &#8220;Oh, don&#8217;t worry about how being unemployed will look.&#8221; It does matter to some managers. But I think there&#8217;s less of a stigma about being unemployed and looking for a job now. In fact, in any kind of economy, you need to get your a&#8211; out there and look. Period. Don&#8217;t let being unemployed hamper your search too much. Hey, if you were ready to date again after a breakup, wouldn&#8217;t you be out there looking for love?</p>
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		<title>By: JB King</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28070</link>
		<dc:creator>JB King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Managers care, but I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d want to see the split of how many care deeply one way or another.  In a sad way this reminds me of romantic relationships where someone that is in a relationship is seen as more valuable than someone that is single.

I&#039;d wonder how many places that are looking to hire people would be prepared for someone to start in the following timeframes: The next hour, the next day, the next week, the next month, the next quarter, the next year, the next decade.  It may be surprising that some places may want a little break to get everything ready for someone to jump into the saddle, to use a western metaphor.

As for explaining about the underemployed and jumping ship, I&#039;d be tempted to be defensive about how money isn&#039;t everything and that it isn&#039;t like I&#039;d be starting in the next 5 minutes, right?  There are some manners and proper ways to do things and each of us has to live, right?  I have bodily needs that have to be met and not all of us have a family that could support us until we find that dream job, as nice as that would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Managers care, but I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d want to see the split of how many care deeply one way or another.  In a sad way this reminds me of romantic relationships where someone that is in a relationship is seen as more valuable than someone that is single.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wonder how many places that are looking to hire people would be prepared for someone to start in the following timeframes: The next hour, the next day, the next week, the next month, the next quarter, the next year, the next decade.  It may be surprising that some places may want a little break to get everything ready for someone to jump into the saddle, to use a western metaphor.</p>
<p>As for explaining about the underemployed and jumping ship, I&#8217;d be tempted to be defensive about how money isn&#8217;t everything and that it isn&#8217;t like I&#8217;d be starting in the next 5 minutes, right?  There are some manners and proper ways to do things and each of us has to live, right?  I have bodily needs that have to be met and not all of us have a family that could support us until we find that dream job, as nice as that would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/1584/readers-forum-better-to-be-unemployed-when-job-hunting/comment-page-1#comment-28061</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Nick for featuring my question this week!  And thanks to everyone else who posted for their viewpoints and ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nick for featuring my question this week!  And thanks to everyone else who posted for their viewpoints and ideas.</p>
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