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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Shannon.  But you should realize that when American companies like Ford,GM and MCDonalds set up bases in India..Indians dont object to the fact that the top job goes  to an American.

Also, compare the population my friend..
with hardly 500 million people with land 3 times the size  compare that to India with a billion people and 1/3rd the size in land..
Please absorb some of our educated youth and let them give their talents and boost your economy..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Shannon.  But you should realize that when American companies like Ford,GM and MCDonalds set up bases in India..Indians dont object to the fact that the top job goes  to an American.</p>
<p>Also, compare the population my friend..<br />
with hardly 500 million people with land 3 times the size  compare that to India with a billion people and 1/3rd the size in land..<br />
Please absorb some of our educated youth and let them give their talents and boost your economy..</p>
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		<title>By: Aarthy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aarthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Nick&#039;s original point was about companies that hire H1B employees based solely on their willingness to work for lesser pay. I understand your point Nick, and I think the solution lies in modifying the rules to allow an equal playing field. 
Any other action that reduces or restricts H1B hires would result in a situation where the really qualified workers from other countries  eventually find another place to put their talents to use. Of course, you will  also lose the inadequately qualified foreign workers, and some American citizens could definitely benefit from it in the short term. In the long term however, it could discourage talented individuals from seeking employment in the US and encourage new start-ups elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Nick&#8217;s original point was about companies that hire H1B employees based solely on their willingness to work for lesser pay. I understand your point Nick, and I think the solution lies in modifying the rules to allow an equal playing field.<br />
Any other action that reduces or restricts H1B hires would result in a situation where the really qualified workers from other countries  eventually find another place to put their talents to use. Of course, you will  also lose the inadequately qualified foreign workers, and some American citizens could definitely benefit from it in the short term. In the long term however, it could discourage talented individuals from seeking employment in the US and encourage new start-ups elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rahul, 
You speak eloquently for the Indian people who are the majority of the H1b and green cards that are displacing American workers in the higher paid professions. I work with many of your fellow countrymen and like them very much, however I know many highly educated Americans that worked in technical fields but can no long use their education in their chosen professions because of foreign workers and the misguided perception that Americans are not well educated. In fact many of the foreign workers came here initially to get an education in our colleges &amp; universities because the education is far superior. It has been my experience that the Indian intellect and ability in all areas of technology is greatly over rated. Although I have met &amp; worked with many fine, gracious, &amp; intelligent Indian men &amp; women, I have not worked with any that could out think or out perform the same demographic of American workers. I also know many highly technically skilled Americans that do not have college degrees but can perform just as well if not better (since they have more to prove) than many of the finest foreign workers I&#039;ve dealt with. I for one am sick of the foreigners that come to America &amp; get executive positions in large corporations, than hire only their own countrymen/women to fill the best positions. I know a corporation that hired an H1b Indian to manage their HR Dept. Within two years this person was a VP in the company and had laid-off 90% of the African Americans in technical positions, almost as many of the Caucasian Americans also, and had hired Indian-Americans and Indian H1b&#039;s to replace them. Even now, this company is only interviewing Indians for openings in technical positions. How is this not racism and ethnocentrism against Americans in our own country! Why are American politicians telling our kids to go to school for engineering and computer jobs if all we are going to do is hire foreign workers to fill these positions. Politicians better wise up. If we give all the best paying jobs away to foreigners, than who is going to supply the tax system with money to pay back all the debt they are running up???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahul,<br />
You speak eloquently for the Indian people who are the majority of the H1b and green cards that are displacing American workers in the higher paid professions. I work with many of your fellow countrymen and like them very much, however I know many highly educated Americans that worked in technical fields but can no long use their education in their chosen professions because of foreign workers and the misguided perception that Americans are not well educated. In fact many of the foreign workers came here initially to get an education in our colleges &amp; universities because the education is far superior. It has been my experience that the Indian intellect and ability in all areas of technology is greatly over rated. Although I have met &amp; worked with many fine, gracious, &amp; intelligent Indian men &amp; women, I have not worked with any that could out think or out perform the same demographic of American workers. I also know many highly technically skilled Americans that do not have college degrees but can perform just as well if not better (since they have more to prove) than many of the finest foreign workers I&#8217;ve dealt with. I for one am sick of the foreigners that come to America &amp; get executive positions in large corporations, than hire only their own countrymen/women to fill the best positions. I know a corporation that hired an H1b Indian to manage their HR Dept. Within two years this person was a VP in the company and had laid-off 90% of the African Americans in technical positions, almost as many of the Caucasian Americans also, and had hired Indian-Americans and Indian H1b&#8217;s to replace them. Even now, this company is only interviewing Indians for openings in technical positions. How is this not racism and ethnocentrism against Americans in our own country! Why are American politicians telling our kids to go to school for engineering and computer jobs if all we are going to do is hire foreign workers to fill these positions. Politicians better wise up. If we give all the best paying jobs away to foreigners, than who is going to supply the tax system with money to pay back all the debt they are running up???</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/328/banking-on-h-1b-to-bail-out-the-fat-cats/comment-page-1#comment-6934</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the faint at heart, here is a quick recap on some heuristics! Read it to its fullest interpretation from a world renowned author. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/opinion/11friedman.html

Thanks for your time, your patience and above all, your understanding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the faint at heart, here is a quick recap on some heuristics! Read it to its fullest interpretation from a world renowned author. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/opinion/11friedman.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/opinion/11friedman.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks for your time, your patience and above all, your understanding!</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its pretty interesting to read the posts but what I do feel is no real person has been able to visit both sides of the coin with its true images on either side.

There are a lot of misconceptions about H1B in this country. And for people in general, the awareness is on a very low scale as to the legalities and the complexities.

Let me first start off by addressing that the H1B workers dont just qualify as workers but are educated and performing individuals. Yes, they are humans too, like you, me, or anyone else. 

They left a way of life, to come to a foreign land, in hopes of bettering their future and their generations to come. There is no law of humanity that can deny that to someone who abides by laws and works hard to achieve it. Even the forefathers of current US citizens came the same way. So dont complain of foreign individuals but learn to live in a truly global non polarized world.

secondly, its not easy to pivot yourself on the forefront of condemnation. Believe me, getting an H1B visa is not that easy. But yes, one needs to either have the same rights IF one is paying the same amount of taxes, social security, medicare and medicaid as any other employed US citizen. Show me the distinction in what an H1B pays to the government in the form of dues than what a US citizen pays. We can talk of regulating basic human rights corrected by a political system thereafter. Stop complaining else stop asking for taxes if you cannot better represent people. 

Can you ever pay an H1B visa holder unemployment benefits? One has 10 days to leave the country if you loose your job. Imagine putting in 10 years of your life, building a house, a family, putting them through school... wrap it up in 10 days and leave??? Is that what the forefathers of US citizens came on shore with?? Can they confront this idea? I guess we all know the answers to this.

Now lets visit the other side of the coin. H1B system has been exploited. They have been exploited by companies big and small. There are those candidates who cannot speak English. or English at par with an American (with the accent). There are people who come in with fake degrees or fibbed resumes. There are companies who endenture people and skim off their paychecks. As much as 60 - 70%. 

ALL for ONE THING. MONEY!!!

The companies looking to saving money hire H1 workers. From companies that are branded as consulting companies but are nothing more than &#039;body shoppers&#039;. They make them work for abot 50% of what they bill the clients for. The rest is just pocketed. Guess what. Most of those so called consulting companies are owned and operated by - US citizens!! 
So the mega corps made the money by negotiating on benefits. And the small body shoppers make money by entangling such hardworking people by promising them a better future once they are naturalized as US citizens or atleast possess a green card.

Which also brings about another question. Imagine a H1B worker that came in as a student, started working, pays 15,000 a year as taxes yet, if s/he loses his or her job, will be forced with nothing but to leave the country. Are you telling me, that a person contributing close to about 50,000 to 75,000 over a 5 year period has no promise on becoming a part of a system that has promised and proven over years to teh success of companies as Microsoft, Intel, Google, NASA, companies in Medicines and health care, automobile, - you name it!

So dont blame the H1B worker. They are here in hopes of bettering their lives. Just as the earliest settlers did. the ones whose progeny todays prides itself or sees itself as being a US citizen. And distinguishes or for lack of words, discriminates H1B workers. 

Fix a system that does not work. Bail yourself out by fixing corporate greed. Realize that the top 3% of the people control 97% of the world&#039;s wealth. Its not upto an H1B worker to dictate your way of life so stop complaining but stand up and stand with the H1B worker to fight for the common good of all as humans. 

Visit the basics of what H1B comprises of and then face off on the facts of how H1B workers work. 

You will think twice before posting any more on this issue. If your education system is failing, dont blame the failure on a system nobody understands but on why your system of education has failed us all!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its pretty interesting to read the posts but what I do feel is no real person has been able to visit both sides of the coin with its true images on either side.</p>
<p>There are a lot of misconceptions about H1B in this country. And for people in general, the awareness is on a very low scale as to the legalities and the complexities.</p>
<p>Let me first start off by addressing that the H1B workers dont just qualify as workers but are educated and performing individuals. Yes, they are humans too, like you, me, or anyone else. </p>
<p>They left a way of life, to come to a foreign land, in hopes of bettering their future and their generations to come. There is no law of humanity that can deny that to someone who abides by laws and works hard to achieve it. Even the forefathers of current US citizens came the same way. So dont complain of foreign individuals but learn to live in a truly global non polarized world.</p>
<p>secondly, its not easy to pivot yourself on the forefront of condemnation. Believe me, getting an H1B visa is not that easy. But yes, one needs to either have the same rights IF one is paying the same amount of taxes, social security, medicare and medicaid as any other employed US citizen. Show me the distinction in what an H1B pays to the government in the form of dues than what a US citizen pays. We can talk of regulating basic human rights corrected by a political system thereafter. Stop complaining else stop asking for taxes if you cannot better represent people. </p>
<p>Can you ever pay an H1B visa holder unemployment benefits? One has 10 days to leave the country if you loose your job. Imagine putting in 10 years of your life, building a house, a family, putting them through school&#8230; wrap it up in 10 days and leave??? Is that what the forefathers of US citizens came on shore with?? Can they confront this idea? I guess we all know the answers to this.</p>
<p>Now lets visit the other side of the coin. H1B system has been exploited. They have been exploited by companies big and small. There are those candidates who cannot speak English. or English at par with an American (with the accent). There are people who come in with fake degrees or fibbed resumes. There are companies who endenture people and skim off their paychecks. As much as 60 &#8211; 70%. </p>
<p>ALL for ONE THING. MONEY!!!</p>
<p>The companies looking to saving money hire H1 workers. From companies that are branded as consulting companies but are nothing more than &#8216;body shoppers&#8217;. They make them work for abot 50% of what they bill the clients for. The rest is just pocketed. Guess what. Most of those so called consulting companies are owned and operated by &#8211; US citizens!!<br />
So the mega corps made the money by negotiating on benefits. And the small body shoppers make money by entangling such hardworking people by promising them a better future once they are naturalized as US citizens or atleast possess a green card.</p>
<p>Which also brings about another question. Imagine a H1B worker that came in as a student, started working, pays 15,000 a year as taxes yet, if s/he loses his or her job, will be forced with nothing but to leave the country. Are you telling me, that a person contributing close to about 50,000 to 75,000 over a 5 year period has no promise on becoming a part of a system that has promised and proven over years to teh success of companies as Microsoft, Intel, Google, NASA, companies in Medicines and health care, automobile, &#8211; you name it!</p>
<p>So dont blame the H1B worker. They are here in hopes of bettering their lives. Just as the earliest settlers did. the ones whose progeny todays prides itself or sees itself as being a US citizen. And distinguishes or for lack of words, discriminates H1B workers. </p>
<p>Fix a system that does not work. Bail yourself out by fixing corporate greed. Realize that the top 3% of the people control 97% of the world&#8217;s wealth. Its not upto an H1B worker to dictate your way of life so stop complaining but stand up and stand with the H1B worker to fight for the common good of all as humans. </p>
<p>Visit the basics of what H1B comprises of and then face off on the facts of how H1B workers work. </p>
<p>You will think twice before posting any more on this issue. If your education system is failing, dont blame the failure on a system nobody understands but on why your system of education has failed us all!!</p>
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		<title>By: kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lance...if international workers were allowed to compete on a straight line basis with American workers (in IT), we&#039;d have a very different picture. 

Don&#039;t feel too sorry for yourself,Aman...Along with thousands of other displaced IT professionals, I am also now looking for a job, and experience employer wariness of hiring anybody. The problem I have (and have had for the last 5 years) is that I can&#039;t compete with H-1B visa candidates who will work for half, which, as I understand it, still beats Indian salary by a mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lance&#8230;if international workers were allowed to compete on a straight line basis with American workers (in IT), we&#8217;d have a very different picture. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t feel too sorry for yourself,Aman&#8230;Along with thousands of other displaced IT professionals, I am also now looking for a job, and experience employer wariness of hiring anybody. The problem I have (and have had for the last 5 years) is that I can&#8217;t compete with H-1B visa candidates who will work for half, which, as I understand it, still beats Indian salary by a mile.</p>
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		<title>By: Aman Nijhawan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aman Nijhawan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Everyone :I am an Indian grad student,I came to the US last fall to do my Masters in Computer Science.I could not fully afford it,so I had to take a loan.

At that time the situation was not this bleak.Lehman had not crashed, but after I came here, the slowdown started.I had thought that I would work for 2 years in US,pay off my loan and go back to India.

Now the situation isnt the same, inspite of being in a top 30 school, the job scene is pretty sad because of two reasons.
1. The economy is in general slow
2. Bailout bill makes the employers wary of hiring international students.

Now I have a loan on my head and am looking for a job with the constant question of &quot;what if&quot; beating in my head because I might not be able to pay off the loan on an Indian Salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Everyone :I am an Indian grad student,I came to the US last fall to do my Masters in Computer Science.I could not fully afford it,so I had to take a loan.</p>
<p>At that time the situation was not this bleak.Lehman had not crashed, but after I came here, the slowdown started.I had thought that I would work for 2 years in US,pay off my loan and go back to India.</p>
<p>Now the situation isnt the same, inspite of being in a top 30 school, the job scene is pretty sad because of two reasons.<br />
1. The economy is in general slow<br />
2. Bailout bill makes the employers wary of hiring international students.</p>
<p>Now I have a loan on my head and am looking for a job with the constant question of &#8220;what if&#8221; beating in my head because I might not be able to pay off the loan on an Indian Salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,

I don&#039;t see how I&#039;m denying H-1B workers anything. Once they are in the country on jobs, they are protected by their H-1B status. (Though it&#039;s not much protection, as H-1B actually restricts their right to work anywhere but the company that sponsored them.)

What I&#039;m suggesting should be restricted in such an economic emergency is the ability of companies that have been granted tax funds to survive to hire from outside the U.S.

How is that denying H-1B workers (who by definition have work already) any rights?

I&#039;ve said it before and I&#039;ll say it again. Generally speaking the U.S. must compete with foreign labor. But it&#039;s quite clear that H-1B effectively subsidizes foreign labor by enabling U.S. employers to pay less to fill jobs.

H-1B workers need more rights. Once they are brought here, they should not be treated like indentured servants.

I don&#039;t understand your comments. The H-1B system ALREADY denies H-1B workers equal opportunity. What I&#039;m addressing is the employers, not the H-1B workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how I&#8217;m denying H-1B workers anything. Once they are in the country on jobs, they are protected by their H-1B status. (Though it&#8217;s not much protection, as H-1B actually restricts their right to work anywhere but the company that sponsored them.)</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m suggesting should be restricted in such an economic emergency is the ability of companies that have been granted tax funds to survive to hire from outside the U.S.</p>
<p>How is that denying H-1B workers (who by definition have work already) any rights?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again. Generally speaking the U.S. must compete with foreign labor. But it&#8217;s quite clear that H-1B effectively subsidizes foreign labor by enabling U.S. employers to pay less to fill jobs.</p>
<p>H-1B workers need more rights. Once they are brought here, they should not be treated like indentured servants.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your comments. The H-1B system ALREADY denies H-1B workers equal opportunity. What I&#8217;m addressing is the employers, not the H-1B workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Gorelik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Gorelik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, you are wrong on this one.
H-1B workers are people like everyone else.
But you deny them the basic right of being treated equally. You deny H1b workers equal opportunity.
Imagine if there would be a law in place that would claim that all people named &quot;Nick&quot; have to get special permission to work. All &quot;Nick&quot;s would be denied right to get a job during the crisis. All &quot;Nick&quot;s would be blamed for lowering wages.
Would it be fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, you are wrong on this one.<br />
H-1B workers are people like everyone else.<br />
But you deny them the basic right of being treated equally. You deny H1b workers equal opportunity.<br />
Imagine if there would be a law in place that would claim that all people named &#8220;Nick&#8221; have to get special permission to work. All &#8220;Nick&#8221;s would be denied right to get a job during the crisis. All &#8220;Nick&#8221;s would be blamed for lowering wages.<br />
Would it be fair?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance, you draw an important distinction. H-1B hires cannot compete here. They&#039;re almost indentured servants. The program was intended to bring needed expertise to companies that can&#039;t get it domestically. But we&#039;re far from that scenario on the wholesale level that H-1B is used. Remember that the purpose of H-1B was to bring in needed help. But the outcome is that it *seems* to skew salaries downward. Am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance, you draw an important distinction. H-1B hires cannot compete here. They&#8217;re almost indentured servants. The program was intended to bring needed expertise to companies that can&#8217;t get it domestically. But we&#8217;re far from that scenario on the wholesale level that H-1B is used. Remember that the purpose of H-1B was to bring in needed help. But the outcome is that it *seems* to skew salaries downward. Am I wrong?</p>
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