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		<title>By: Ask The Headhunter® &#124; Nick Corcodilos - Salary history: Just say NO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ask The Headhunter® &#124; Nick Corcodilos - Salary history: Just say NO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the importance of Keeping Your Salary Under Wraps back in May (Just say NO), but reader Jesica Sartell&#8217;s pointed policy should be yours, too. She gets 10 Headhunter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the importance of Keeping Your Salary Under Wraps back in May (Just say NO), but reader Jesica Sartell&#8217;s pointed policy should be yours, too. She gets 10 Headhunter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Joehl</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Joehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. My screen reader was playing tricks on me the last time I looked at this entry, and none of the comments showed up except for mine. That tells you something right there, doesn&#039;t it? LOL just kidding! Anyway thanks for all your responses to this question. I now have at least somewhat of a better grasp of this whole salary issue. The situation which I described in my other two comments only happened once, but now I know what to do if it ever happens again. BTW, the poster who mentioned LeBron James I think just might&#039;ve had a good point. I should show this to my youngest sister, as she idolizes the athlete!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. My screen reader was playing tricks on me the last time I looked at this entry, and none of the comments showed up except for mine. That tells you something right there, doesn&#8217;t it? LOL just kidding! Anyway thanks for all your responses to this question. I now have at least somewhat of a better grasp of this whole salary issue. The situation which I described in my other two comments only happened once, but now I know what to do if it ever happens again. BTW, the poster who mentioned LeBron James I think just might&#8217;ve had a good point. I should show this to my youngest sister, as she idolizes the athlete!</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Joehl</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Joehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A number of years ago I went with a job coach to check out a court position at a local civic center. The judge with whom we spoke sent me a cassette containing two court cases, and he wanted me to transcribe them and send in my work so that he could see it before hiring me. Along with this cassette came a note from the judge, in which he wrote out the instructions. But what he also did was ask what I wanted my starting salary to be. My mom and I were kind of confused by this, as I had never done stuff like this before. So what is a good starting salary for any paying job? Never was this discussed with me by any job coach and I&#039;m rather curious should the question of salary come up again for me. I&#039;ll ask around and see what friends and coworkers have to say on this matter too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of years ago I went with a job coach to check out a court position at a local civic center. The judge with whom we spoke sent me a cassette containing two court cases, and he wanted me to transcribe them and send in my work so that he could see it before hiring me. Along with this cassette came a note from the judge, in which he wrote out the instructions. But what he also did was ask what I wanted my starting salary to be. My mom and I were kind of confused by this, as I had never done stuff like this before. So what is a good starting salary for any paying job? Never was this discussed with me by any job coach and I&#8217;m rather curious should the question of salary come up again for me. I&#8217;ll ask around and see what friends and coworkers have to say on this matter too.</p>
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		<title>By: I've often wondered about this whole salary business. I know pretty much what a salary is, but what is considered a "good" starting salary at a job? A number of years ago during my job search, I went with a job coach to check out a local court position. T</title>
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		<dc:creator>I've often wondered about this whole salary business. I know pretty much what a salary is, but what is considered a "good" starting salary at a job? A number of years ago during my job search, I went with a job coach to check out a local court position. T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake Joehl</description>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mentioned above I have direct experience with giving away the farm. 

As a direct result of what I found out after I came here I am actively looking now. I had to put in my time for a year so my resume didnt look chopped up and that I job hop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned above I have direct experience with giving away the farm. </p>
<p>As a direct result of what I found out after I came here I am actively looking now. I had to put in my time for a year so my resume didnt look chopped up and that I job hop.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Opton</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-797</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Opton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an old axiom, as Nick and others who have been around for a while know very well: &quot;He who puts out the first number - loses.&quot;  I believe that and so obviously does Nick, and his counsel as usual is very sound.

I think what makes this so hard for many of us is that it is easy to be &quot;tough&quot; when it&#039;s not you are not the one involved.  Under pressure, many of us end up doing things that we otherwise wouldn&#039;t do or know is not in our best interest.  

When it comes to negotiations, I also think that many people look at it as a win-lose event even though most of the books on the subject talk about making it win-win.

Approaching a salary negotiation with a win-lose mindset I think is a really bad idea for a number of reasons but primarily because when the negotiation is over, someone is going to be unhappy and that is not a great way to start what both parties wanted to be a long term and collaborative relationship.

Said differently, any employer who takes advantage of someone and low balls them to the point where the package they &quot;sell&quot; to a candidate is not &quot;fair&quot; or competitive in the marketplace will soon be discovered by the new employee.  Once that happens, they are already on their way out the door and any savings the company got up front will more than likely best lost several times over as they go to replace the position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an old axiom, as Nick and others who have been around for a while know very well: &#8220;He who puts out the first number &#8211; loses.&#8221;  I believe that and so obviously does Nick, and his counsel as usual is very sound.</p>
<p>I think what makes this so hard for many of us is that it is easy to be &#8220;tough&#8221; when it&#8217;s not you are not the one involved.  Under pressure, many of us end up doing things that we otherwise wouldn&#8217;t do or know is not in our best interest.  </p>
<p>When it comes to negotiations, I also think that many people look at it as a win-lose event even though most of the books on the subject talk about making it win-win.</p>
<p>Approaching a salary negotiation with a win-lose mindset I think is a really bad idea for a number of reasons but primarily because when the negotiation is over, someone is going to be unhappy and that is not a great way to start what both parties wanted to be a long term and collaborative relationship.</p>
<p>Said differently, any employer who takes advantage of someone and low balls them to the point where the package they &#8220;sell&#8221; to a candidate is not &#8220;fair&#8221; or competitive in the marketplace will soon be discovered by the new employee.  Once that happens, they are already on their way out the door and any savings the company got up front will more than likely best lost several times over as they go to replace the position.</p>
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		<title>By: CareerSolvers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Job Search Strategies for Lions&#8230;Sheep Need Not Apply</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>CareerSolvers &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Job Search Strategies for Lions&#8230;Sheep Need Not Apply</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 04:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] words of wisdom from Nick Corcodilis over on the Ask the Headhunter blog&#8230;Nick reminds job seekers that the job boards put all sorts of limitations on the job seeker. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] words of wisdom from Nick Corcodilis over on the Ask the Headhunter blog&#8230;Nick reminds job seekers that the job boards put all sorts of limitations on the job seeker. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DW</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator>DW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can provide direct perspective on this. In 2006 I was a contractor with a company and my contract was coming t o an end in about 5 months. So I needed to look for a job as I was going to be unemployed.

A friend submitted me on a job as an internal referral. I didnt get the job and a few months later this company needed someone as a person quit. They liked me so I was offered the job.

Anyway the hiring company INSISTED on 5 years worth of pay stubs. I said I didnt have any. Than they insisted on W2&#039;s. I said NO. I had religiously followed Nicks books and they work. Against my better judgement I relented and gave it to them.

Guess what they did? They literally offered me the same salary I made as a contractor. As they knew what I made for the last 5 years I had NO LEVERAGE.

After I got here I found out that not only did they bring me in a level below what I should have come in as but I was also underpaid.

The moral of the story is NEVER EVER tell them what you make. EVER. I wont make this mistake again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can provide direct perspective on this. In 2006 I was a contractor with a company and my contract was coming t o an end in about 5 months. So I needed to look for a job as I was going to be unemployed.</p>
<p>A friend submitted me on a job as an internal referral. I didnt get the job and a few months later this company needed someone as a person quit. They liked me so I was offered the job.</p>
<p>Anyway the hiring company INSISTED on 5 years worth of pay stubs. I said I didnt have any. Than they insisted on W2&#8242;s. I said NO. I had religiously followed Nicks books and they work. Against my better judgement I relented and gave it to them.</p>
<p>Guess what they did? They literally offered me the same salary I made as a contractor. As they knew what I made for the last 5 years I had NO LEVERAGE.</p>
<p>After I got here I found out that not only did they bring me in a level below what I should have come in as but I was also underpaid.</p>
<p>The moral of the story is NEVER EVER tell them what you make. EVER. I wont make this mistake again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Davis</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you fill out an application write &quot;will discuss&quot; instead of putting a dollar amount in. When you are in the interview and they ask about salary, throw the ball back in their court and say &quot;what is the salary range for this position?&quot;  At this time they have to tell you that range and then you can take it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you fill out an application write &#8220;will discuss&#8221; instead of putting a dollar amount in. When you are in the interview and they ask about salary, throw the ball back in their court and say &#8220;what is the salary range for this position?&#8221;  At this time they have to tell you that range and then you can take it from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Amoia</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/40/just-say-no/comment-page-1#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Amoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick:

This could be approached from another perspective if a firm but clear &quot;I respect your right to ask, but I don&#039;t disclose such things to anyone&quot; is not respected.

1. I am in witness protection. My salary history was erased.

2. I need to know your salary because unless you earn enough to be my boss, I will have to reject you.

3. What was the salary earned by the incumbent or predecessor to this job? 

4. If President Bush didn&#039;t have to provide his previous salary, why should I? (Along those lines, notice how some candidates and their spouses disclose tax returns, while others adamantly refuse).

5. LeBron James didn&#039;t have a salary history, but he wasn&#039;t paid the NBA league minimum, now was he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:</p>
<p>This could be approached from another perspective if a firm but clear &#8220;I respect your right to ask, but I don&#8217;t disclose such things to anyone&#8221; is not respected.</p>
<p>1. I am in witness protection. My salary history was erased.</p>
<p>2. I need to know your salary because unless you earn enough to be my boss, I will have to reject you.</p>
<p>3. What was the salary earned by the incumbent or predecessor to this job? </p>
<p>4. If President Bush didn&#8217;t have to provide his previous salary, why should I? (Along those lines, notice how some candidates and their spouses disclose tax returns, while others adamantly refuse).</p>
<p>5. LeBron James didn&#8217;t have a salary history, but he wasn&#8217;t paid the NBA league minimum, now was he?</p>
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