Comments on: Does someone have to wipe your hiney? http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney The insider's edge on job search & hiring™ | Copyright © 2011 North Bridge Group, Inc. All rights reserved. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:42:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Snezzy http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1931 Snezzy Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:50:16 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1931 Not all Toastmasters clubs are worthwhile. I was briefly at one whose members were entirely non-native speakers of English trying to help each other. There was absolutely nothing they could do for me, and hardly anything I could do for them, as their established pattern of criticism for each talk was to praise it politely. What they really needed was remedial attention to pronunciation and diction that Americans could understand, as well as gaining an ability to focus on--and get to--the point of the talk. I wish that I had known how to help in this frustrating situation. Instead I left and never returned. Not all Toastmasters clubs are worthwhile. I was briefly at one whose members were entirely non-native speakers of English trying to help each other. There was absolutely nothing they could do for me, and hardly anything I could do for them, as their established pattern of criticism for each talk was to praise it politely. What they really needed was remedial attention to pronunciation and diction that Americans could understand, as well as gaining an ability to focus on–and get to–the point of the talk.

I wish that I had known how to help in this frustrating situation. Instead I left and never returned.

]]> By: Beth the language bug http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1692 Beth the language bug Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:53:56 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1692 I'd like to add this thought: anyone who wants to speak better could benefit from Toastmasters. In every Toastmasters meeting, someone is assigned to be the Grammarian, who watches for errors in grammar and for interesting turns of phrase. There is also someone assigned to count how many times anyone says "um" or its evil siblings ("er," "uh," etc.) Toastmasters has a long-standing formula for success in learning to speak in public (or anywhere else.) It also builds confidence. Some clubs are great for networking, others not so much. Check it out at www.toastmasters.org. I’d like to add this thought: anyone who wants to speak better could benefit from Toastmasters. In every Toastmasters meeting, someone is assigned to be the Grammarian, who watches for errors in grammar and for interesting turns of phrase. There is also someone assigned to count how many times anyone says “um” or its evil siblings (“er,” “uh,” etc.)

Toastmasters has a long-standing formula for success in learning to speak in public (or anywhere else.) It also builds confidence. Some clubs are great for networking, others not so much. Check it out at http://www.toastmasters.org.

]]> By: Gretchen Hirsch http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1340 Gretchen Hirsch Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:53:41 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1340 Dear Nick: What an interesting thread. As the author of Talking Your Way to the Top, the book you mentioned in this post (and thank you for mentioning it),I'm delighted that I'm not a lone voice in the wilderness. Ray Saunders' comment about teachers is dead on in far too many cases. Some of the notes that come home from school are rife with grammar and spelling errors. How sad! Congratulations to Louise Kursmark; you've done the best thing possible for your children. I did it for mine, too--and now they are doing the same for their children. I love it when my five-year-old grandson comes up with the proper use of the subjunctive ("If I were taller, I could climb that tree.") People ask me why I care. I answer with a question of my own. Why do you think the first thing a dictator does is seize the channels of communication? Because words matter, and those who use them well have an edge--in everything. Dear Nick:

What an interesting thread. As the author of Talking Your Way to the Top, the book you mentioned in this post (and thank you for mentioning it),I’m delighted that I’m not a lone voice in the wilderness. Ray Saunders’ comment about teachers is dead on in far too many cases. Some of the notes that come home from school are rife with grammar and spelling errors. How sad!

Congratulations to Louise Kursmark; you’ve done the best thing possible for your children. I did it for mine, too–and now they are doing the same for their children. I love it when my five-year-old grandson comes up with the proper use of the subjunctive (“If I were taller, I could climb that tree.”)

People ask me why I care. I answer with a question of my own. Why do you think the first thing a dictator does is seize the channels of communication? Because words matter, and those who use them well have an edge–in everything.

]]> By: Nick Corcodilos http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1247 Nick Corcodilos Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:29:37 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1247 Nice catch, Julie! But the vernacular for buttocks is extensive and :-) flexible! You're right: some dictionaries do not acknowledge "hiney." My old Webster's 7th Collegiate does not recognize it at all. But Webster's 3rd New International (unabridged, 1981) includes it as a variant of "heinie." First accepted definition of heinie is "a German," and "buttocks" is second. The Shorter Oxford recognizes hiney, but again as a variant of heinie. So, heinie is the more accepted spelling, but hiney is okay, too. Heinie just looks too foreign and too proper. Hiney comes across as more American, and more, well, cute. And I was trying to be a bit cute. "Does someone have to wipe your ass?" would have been too aggressive, and besides, I was going for the "baby" connotation. Hiney just works for me. :-) Nice catch, Julie! But the vernacular for buttocks is extensive and :-) flexible!

You’re right: some dictionaries do not acknowledge “hiney.” My old Webster’s 7th Collegiate does not recognize it at all. But Webster’s 3rd New International (unabridged, 1981) includes it as a variant of “heinie.” First accepted definition of heinie is “a German,” and “buttocks” is second. The Shorter Oxford recognizes hiney, but again as a variant of heinie. So, heinie is the more accepted spelling, but hiney is okay, too.

Heinie just looks too foreign and too proper. Hiney comes across as more American, and more, well, cute. And I was trying to be a bit cute. “Does someone have to wipe your ass?” would have been too aggressive, and besides, I was going for the “baby” connotation. Hiney just works for me. :-)

]]> By: Julie http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1246 Julie Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:04:33 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1246 Thanks for your column on a subject dear to my heart. But as for that title: if you had looked up "hiney" you would have found that although many people spell it this way, the standard dictionary spelling is actually "heinie" (for example, see dictionary.com). Funny, both spellings got flagged by my spellchecker. For a very entertaining way to keep grammar skills sharp, you might want to check out the podcasts on Grammar Girl. http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/ Thanks for your column on a subject dear to my heart. But as for that title: if you had looked up “hiney” you would have found that although many people spell it this way, the standard dictionary spelling is actually “heinie” (for example, see dictionary.com). Funny, both spellings got flagged by my spellchecker.

For a very entertaining way to keep grammar skills sharp, you might want to check out the podcasts on Grammar Girl.
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/

]]> By: Louise Kursmark http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1244 Louise Kursmark Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:45:07 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1244 Nick, thank you! You got across an important message without sounding preachy or priggish. Language DOES matter. As I tell my resume-writing trainees, it is the primary tool we use to get our messages across. We need to keep the tool sharp and use it expertly. I've done my part... trained my kids! They are experts at spotting "its/it's" violations, misspellings, and other language errors. And yes, they went to schools that used "inventive spelling," but I insisted they spell correctly. Nick, thank you! You got across an important message without sounding preachy or priggish. Language DOES matter. As I tell my resume-writing trainees, it is the primary tool we use to get our messages across. We need to keep the tool sharp and use it expertly.

I’ve done my part… trained my kids! They are experts at spotting “its/it’s” violations, misspellings, and other language errors. And yes, they went to schools that used “inventive spelling,” but I insisted they spell correctly.

]]> By: Peg http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1243 Peg Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:08:03 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1243 Years ago, I noticed a new colleague from Oregon erred in her use of conditional phrases. She would always say, "If I would have...." rather than, "If I had..." or "If I were..." Then I saw the same error on television shows and in movies. Now everyone seems to make the same mistake. I suppose it demonstrates the power of the entertainment media. When I try to explain the error without scary grammatical words, people just shrug. "You knew what I meant, didn't you?" they say. Yes, I did know what they meant. And I wondered where they were educated. Years ago, I noticed a new colleague from Oregon erred in her use of conditional phrases. She would always say, “If I would have….” rather than, “If I had…” or “If I were…” Then I saw the same error on television shows and in movies. Now everyone seems to make the same mistake. I suppose it demonstrates the power of the entertainment media.

When I try to explain the error without scary grammatical words, people just shrug. “You knew what I meant, didn’t you?” they say.

Yes, I did know what they meant. And I wondered where they were educated.

]]> By: Nick Corcodilos http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1242 Nick Corcodilos Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:15:39 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1242 There is a misconception, especially in academic circles, that proper use of language implies a stiff, formal posture. That's not true at all. My posting may have bent some academic hineys out of shape, but I think my writing is clean. What I enjoy is a speaker or writer who toes the line on form, but delivers an unexpected message in a style that makes the hairs on my neck stand up. The contrast makes the message entertaining and pounds it home all the harder. I wish more people could see the power of proper language combined with edgy delivery. There is a misconception, especially in academic circles, that proper use of language implies a stiff, formal posture. That’s not true at all. My posting may have bent some academic hineys out of shape, but I think my writing is clean. What I enjoy is a speaker or writer who toes the line on form, but delivers an unexpected message in a style that makes the hairs on my neck stand up. The contrast makes the message entertaining and pounds it home all the harder. I wish more people could see the power of proper language combined with edgy delivery.

]]> By: Spencer http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1241 Spencer Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:02:09 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1241 Bravo! If I have one more person "ax" me a question "alot," I think I will rip a head off. It's not a question of ethnic background because I hear/see this all the time from a lot of young people. Yes, "ain't" is almost common usage nowadays. However it still makes most people wince. There is something to be said for respecting a language and learning to wield it effectively. At least that is what I was told by an English man who corrected my pronunciation of "aluminium." :) And I hope you pulled your kiddo out of the school above... Bravo! If I have one more person “ax” me a question “alot,” I think I will rip a head off.

It’s not a question of ethnic background because I hear/see this all the time from a lot of young people.

Yes, “ain’t” is almost common usage nowadays. However it still makes most people wince.

There is something to be said for respecting a language and learning to wield it effectively.

At least that is what I was told by an English man who corrected my pronunciation of “aluminium.” :)

And I hope you pulled your kiddo out of the school above…

]]> By: Ray Saunders http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney/comment-page-1#comment-1239 Ray Saunders Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:28:54 +0000 http://corcodilos.com/blog/50/does-someone-have-to-wipe-your-hiney#comment-1239 There have always been those who could not spell or write properly. What bothers me is that so many of them today are teachers. With the state of education in the US today, if you want a decent education, it's pretty much up to you. And yes, it does matter. Sloppy speech and writing implies sloppy thinking. Over the last 45+ years in the the IT world, I can remember only one person who was technically competent while 'educationally challenged'. Managers and coworkers respected his expertise but winced whenever they heard him talk. He eventually realized it was limiting him, got some tutoring, acquired his GED at 37 and enrolled in college. He knew it mattered. There have always been those who could not spell or write properly. What bothers me is that so many of them today are teachers. With the state of education in the US today, if you want a decent education, it’s pretty much up to you.
And yes, it does matter. Sloppy speech and writing implies sloppy thinking. Over the last 45+ years in the the IT world, I can remember only one person who was technically competent while ‘educationally challenged’. Managers and coworkers respected his expertise but winced whenever they heard him talk. He eventually realized it was limiting him, got some tutoring, acquired his GED at 37 and enrolled in college. He knew it mattered.

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