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		<title>By: John in Denver</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/528/executive-career-management-scams/comment-page-1#comment-199489</link>
		<dc:creator>John in Denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 18:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick -- While I agree that many of the &quot;Executive Search Experts&quot; out there are scammers, I DO NOT agree that &quot;finding a job is something you should do on your own.&quot; The very thing that makes executives good executives makes them really bad job seekers, and many of them DO need a great deal of help. The solution is to find a good Transition Coach who will be honest that WE DON&#039;T FIND PEOPLE JOBS. This is posted in capital letters in my office. What I do,however, is assist executives with my network in the Colorado Front Range to identify the top positions, get in past H.R., interview well, and negotiate well. I NEVER promise anyone a job in a specific period of time, nor a job at all. And as for headhunters...do you tell them that they&#039;re just your inventory? That you only have about 2% of the jobs that exist out there? That a headhunter fee can run 35% or more of their salary and make the client company less likely to hire them? Or that headhunters often present candidates that have little chance of getting hired to make their main candidate look good? Let&#039;s be fully disclosive here of the realities of headhunters, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8212; While I agree that many of the &#8220;Executive Search Experts&#8221; out there are scammers, I DO NOT agree that &#8220;finding a job is something you should do on your own.&#8221; The very thing that makes executives good executives makes them really bad job seekers, and many of them DO need a great deal of help. The solution is to find a good Transition Coach who will be honest that WE DON&#8217;T FIND PEOPLE JOBS. This is posted in capital letters in my office. What I do,however, is assist executives with my network in the Colorado Front Range to identify the top positions, get in past H.R., interview well, and negotiate well. I NEVER promise anyone a job in a specific period of time, nor a job at all. And as for headhunters&#8230;do you tell them that they&#8217;re just your inventory? That you only have about 2% of the jobs that exist out there? That a headhunter fee can run 35% or more of their salary and make the client company less likely to hire them? Or that headhunters often present candidates that have little chance of getting hired to make their main candidate look good? Let&#8217;s be fully disclosive here of the realities of headhunters, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/528/executive-career-management-scams/comment-page-1#comment-13638</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is belated/older posting, but want to say Thank You for having something on your site that can be a warning to job seekers!

My husband responded to one of these predatory search firms, and I was skeptical.  It took a fair amount of effort between searching and correlating information that I could find on Google, Technorati, the Better Business Bureau, etc. before I determined home many differently named &quot;search firms&quot; had been run by the same people out of the same office building.  That&#039;s one way to clean up your Google Trail or BBB negatives -- change your business name! Frequently!  

I&#039;d mention the name of the firm, but they are in the habit - somewhat famously in the blogosphere - for suing parties who &quot;diss&quot; them online - and heaven help anyone who signed a contract with them, agreeing to pay damages if they later complain on any public forum.  

Oh, and it would appear that the scammers are getting sufficiently sophisticated that they will have a few contacts, maybe an interview and some questionnaire/self assessments for you to fill out, before they actually tell you that their services come at a hefty fee to the *candidate*.  (It&#039;s about first getting someone to psychologically &quot;buy in&quot;, maybe even feel guilty about &quot;how much effort&quot; the recruiter &quot;has already put in&quot;.)I know that my husband was initially told that there would be no fee to the job seeker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is belated/older posting, but want to say Thank You for having something on your site that can be a warning to job seekers!</p>
<p>My husband responded to one of these predatory search firms, and I was skeptical.  It took a fair amount of effort between searching and correlating information that I could find on Google, Technorati, the Better Business Bureau, etc. before I determined home many differently named &#8220;search firms&#8221; had been run by the same people out of the same office building.  That&#8217;s one way to clean up your Google Trail or BBB negatives &#8212; change your business name! Frequently!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d mention the name of the firm, but they are in the habit &#8211; somewhat famously in the blogosphere &#8211; for suing parties who &#8220;diss&#8221; them online &#8211; and heaven help anyone who signed a contract with them, agreeing to pay damages if they later complain on any public forum.  </p>
<p>Oh, and it would appear that the scammers are getting sufficiently sophisticated that they will have a few contacts, maybe an interview and some questionnaire/self assessments for you to fill out, before they actually tell you that their services come at a hefty fee to the *candidate*.  (It&#8217;s about first getting someone to psychologically &#8220;buy in&#8221;, maybe even feel guilty about &#8220;how much effort&#8221; the recruiter &#8220;has already put in&#8221;.)I know that my husband was initially told that there would be no fee to the job seeker.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cindy:  Most do not understand how to position and market themselves, and they come to me because they recognize that fact.

I agree partially with this, especially since I switched careers from engineering to marketing.  I used to not understand what people meant by &quot;If you want to get a job, you have to market yourself.&quot;  Now that I&#039;ve done marketing, I actually prefer that 1 of its 4P&#039;s called &quot;Promotions.&quot;  You have to let people know you&#039;re out there.

Where I don&#039;t agree, however, is this notion that only certain people can sell.  We&#039;re all sellers.  Those CFO finance guys who say everything is about numbers are doing a sales job.  Convincing my lover to go to a certain restaurant over another is a sales job.  Getting a job is a sales job.  Buying into my Point of View is a sales job.

Have I sold you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cindy:  Most do not understand how to position and market themselves, and they come to me because they recognize that fact.</p>
<p>I agree partially with this, especially since I switched careers from engineering to marketing.  I used to not understand what people meant by &#8220;If you want to get a job, you have to market yourself.&#8221;  Now that I&#8217;ve done marketing, I actually prefer that 1 of its 4P&#8217;s called &#8220;Promotions.&#8221;  You have to let people know you&#8217;re out there.</p>
<p>Where I don&#8217;t agree, however, is this notion that only certain people can sell.  We&#8217;re all sellers.  Those CFO finance guys who say everything is about numbers are doing a sales job.  Convincing my lover to go to a certain restaurant over another is a sales job.  Getting a job is a sales job.  Buying into my Point of View is a sales job.</p>
<p>Have I sold you?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve sometimes wished there was a service that could be launched where you would pay someone to land you a job.  

It&#039;d be arranged similar to affiliate marketing on the Internet.  The way that usually works is clicking on a link to buy something gives the affiliate a cut of the purchase for leading you there.

I&#039;ve always been a big fan of delegation, and one thing I&#039;d love to delegate is the whole prospecting / filtering portion of job hunting.  Unfortunately, I haven&#039;t found exactly how to ensure that the person doing that sifting really has your best interests at heart or just wants to make a quick buck off you, esp. in your time of desperation (when you&#039;ve switched from WANT a job to NEED a job.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sometimes wished there was a service that could be launched where you would pay someone to land you a job.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;d be arranged similar to affiliate marketing on the Internet.  The way that usually works is clicking on a link to buy something gives the affiliate a cut of the purchase for leading you there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been a big fan of delegation, and one thing I&#8217;d love to delegate is the whole prospecting / filtering portion of job hunting.  Unfortunately, I haven&#8217;t found exactly how to ensure that the person doing that sifting really has your best interests at heart or just wants to make a quick buck off you, esp. in your time of desperation (when you&#8217;ve switched from WANT a job to NEED a job.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gail Liebhaber</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/528/executive-career-management-scams/comment-page-1#comment-10098</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail Liebhaber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all your good thoughts, Nick. I am a career consultant and I do refer my clients to your web site.
I am wondering if you or anyone else has worked with jobbait.com  I have talked some with Mark Hovind and he is very determined...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your good thoughts, Nick. I am a career consultant and I do refer my clients to your web site.<br />
I am wondering if you or anyone else has worked with jobbait.com  I have talked some with Mark Hovind and he is very determined&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Kraft</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/528/executive-career-management-scams/comment-page-1#comment-9702</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Kraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 13:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great article, Nick. As in any industry, a few bad apples can taint the entire barrel.

I disagree, though, with this comment: But job hunting is something you should do for yourself. If you can’t, you probably don’t deserve to be hired. 

My finance execs understand numbers and many are quite savvy around how numbers work with operations. Most do not understand how to position and market themselves, and they come to me because they recognize that fact.  
My point is that people are gifted in different ways. That makes them an excellent choice for the job they are being hired to do, but not necessarily able to function in a role they do not understand how to do or how to do effectively.

Cindy Kraft, the CFO-Coach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great article, Nick. As in any industry, a few bad apples can taint the entire barrel.</p>
<p>I disagree, though, with this comment: But job hunting is something you should do for yourself. If you can’t, you probably don’t deserve to be hired. </p>
<p>My finance execs understand numbers and many are quite savvy around how numbers work with operations. Most do not understand how to position and market themselves, and they come to me because they recognize that fact.<br />
My point is that people are gifted in different ways. That makes them an excellent choice for the job they are being hired to do, but not necessarily able to function in a role they do not understand how to do or how to do effectively.</p>
<p>Cindy Kraft, the CFO-Coach</p>
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		<title>By: Art Turner</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/528/executive-career-management-scams/comment-page-1#comment-9656</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Thanks for your practical advise. Actually, Kimberly Schneiderman in NY referenced me via email to your webpage.

I, too, hired an Executive Career Search Expert after searching fruitlessly on my own for 2 years. Three years and over $5k later, I have yet to receive a single interview as a result of their help (although they told me before I signed on the dotted line that I could expect a job within 90 days that paid $89k or higher with a $25k signing bonus!)

So, for 5 years I have been without a full-time job! I cannot comprehend how I could have so many degrees and certifications; a 100% success record of turning around four nose-diving companies into debt-free, renovated, expanded, growing, and cash-flowing corporations; have served on the National Executive Board of an association that oversaw 1/4 million people; and led as a VP for 9 years over a region from NC into the Caribbean and not even have a job offer on the table! 

In this economy of seeing corporations, businesses, and companies going out of business (and often due to poor leadership choices or exhorbitant salary demands of execs), I would think that my 25 year track record of bringing viability to near bankrupted businesses would put me in demand! 

Oh well......I am just glad for a P-T job as a university prof and Area Chair of a department.

I will look forward to your advice and email postings. Thanks!

ART</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Thanks for your practical advise. Actually, Kimberly Schneiderman in NY referenced me via email to your webpage.</p>
<p>I, too, hired an Executive Career Search Expert after searching fruitlessly on my own for 2 years. Three years and over $5k later, I have yet to receive a single interview as a result of their help (although they told me before I signed on the dotted line that I could expect a job within 90 days that paid $89k or higher with a $25k signing bonus!)</p>
<p>So, for 5 years I have been without a full-time job! I cannot comprehend how I could have so many degrees and certifications; a 100% success record of turning around four nose-diving companies into debt-free, renovated, expanded, growing, and cash-flowing corporations; have served on the National Executive Board of an association that oversaw 1/4 million people; and led as a VP for 9 years over a region from NC into the Caribbean and not even have a job offer on the table! </p>
<p>In this economy of seeing corporations, businesses, and companies going out of business (and often due to poor leadership choices or exhorbitant salary demands of execs), I would think that my 25 year track record of bringing viability to near bankrupted businesses would put me in demand! </p>
<p>Oh well&#8230;&#8230;I am just glad for a P-T job as a university prof and Area Chair of a department.</p>
<p>I will look forward to your advice and email postings. Thanks!</p>
<p>ART</p>
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		<title>By: Another Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spouse of a colleague was taken in by one of these firms after the grant ran out on his grant-funded position at an area university. After spending close to ten grand with very limited results, he dumped the clowns and, on his very own, found a comparable job with a local government agency. This particular outfit bills themselves as &quot;Executive Career Search Experts&quot; on their web site. 

Before I read Nick&#039;s book, I talked to them up to the point they asked for $2500.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spouse of a colleague was taken in by one of these firms after the grant ran out on his grant-funded position at an area university. After spending close to ten grand with very limited results, he dumped the clowns and, on his very own, found a comparable job with a local government agency. This particular outfit bills themselves as &#8220;Executive Career Search Experts&#8221; on their web site. </p>
<p>Before I read Nick&#8217;s book, I talked to them up to the point they asked for $2500.</p>
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		<title>By: Linsey Levine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linsey Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, again, Nick!

And, as a career counselor and long-time facilitator of monthly ExecuNet Networking meetings in the NY tri-state area, I would suggest one additional important criteria that will help a job seeker distinguish the good career counselors/coaches from the &quot;crooks&quot;:  If you are approached by the career management company, chances are they are anxious to take advantage of you, and take your money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, again, Nick!</p>
<p>And, as a career counselor and long-time facilitator of monthly ExecuNet Networking meetings in the NY tri-state area, I would suggest one additional important criteria that will help a job seeker distinguish the good career counselors/coaches from the &#8220;crooks&#8221;:  If you are approached by the career management company, chances are they are anxious to take advantage of you, and take your money!</p>
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