December 17, 2012

Can I earn a degree from the School of Hard Knocks?

Filed under: Q&A, Readers' Forum, Success at Work

In the December 18, 2012 Ask The Headhunter Newsletter, a job hunter considers an online, or “distance learning” degree:

I have over 24 years experience in industry, but I never got a college degree. Now I want to get a bachelors. A “distance learning” college has approved my application for a B.S. in Business Administration. This is one of those schools that delivers its courses online and also awards credits for “life experience.” Please give me your opinion on degrees of this nature. Thanks.

Nick’s Reply

These “life experience” credits can be legit. They are based on knowledge you’ve acquired on the job rather than through college courses. The school administers a test on the material and if you pass, they give you the same credits you’d get if you actually took the course. You just need to be sure the school itself is legit — or those School of Hard Knocks credits could be worthless. Several times each week I get solicitations for questionable degree programs.

My advice: Whatever state you are in, contact the state department of education. Find out whether this school is accredited. If it is not, forget it. Find one that is.

To test the value of this school’s programs, contact a few well-known colleges or universities and talk to the admissions office. Ask whether they would accept “transfer credits” from the school in question. A good distance school’s credits will be accepted toward a degree at other good schools. If credits are not transferable, find another school.

If the online school you choose is legit, you may be able to leverage your investment by finishing your degree program at a bricks-and-mortar school — and you’d get your diploma from a more recognized school. Just beware: Some online degree programs cost more than traditional schools charge! The good news: Many good traditional schools offer online courses and combination programs. Don’t assume you need to start with an online-only school.

Want more certainty? Ask the company you work for (or want to work for) how it regards degrees from the distance school. This will tell you a lot about the value of the degree.

I’d start your research by checking the Sloan Consortium to see whether the school you’re considering is a member.

(For every problem, there’s a flip side. And the flip side of this problem is academics with degrees who can’t overcome their own obstacles to win a job. For more on this, see Breaking Ranks & Rules: How academics can avoid 5 fatal mistakes in the job hunt.)

Do you have an online degree? Has it paid off? Does your company look favorably on distance learning schools? On credits from the School of Hard Knocks? What are the alternatives to traditional education, and what do they mean to employers?


The Ask The Headhunter Newsletter and this blog will be on hiatus for two weeks while I take a vacation, spend time with my family, and finish up a new project that I can’t wait to tell you about in January! I wish you a Merry Christmas or a Merry Whatever You Celebrate, and a Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year. I’ll participate in the comments through this week — then I’ll see you in January!


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20 Comments on “Can I earn a degree from the School of Hard Knocks?”
By Hank
December 18, 2012 at 9:32 am

I have an MBA degree from an online university. I have noted two things about this –

1) Nobody, whether colleagues or management, has every even ASKED me where the degree was from, or if the school was a “real” university or not (it was one of the original distance-learning programs.)

2) Unless you are looking to get a VERY specialized position (an accountant looking to get hired by the Big-3 Accounting firms had better get his MBA from Harvard or Stanford) it is not the school but the outcome that matters. The PROCESS of getting the degree is more important than the content – it shows a commitment to finishing what you started.

Of course, as Nick says, it better not be from one of the diploma mills. Ask HR discretely whether the university you are considering is respected or not, or if they would reimburse an employee getting credits there while working.

By Don Harkness
December 18, 2012 at 9:48 am

I’m compelled to drop in my 2 cents. And this dates me. I have a degree in Biz Administration from the University of Redlands…in 1979, from a Distance Learning approach. accredited and from a respected university. And this was in 79. Then it was definitely not the usual route as Distance Learning was just getting off the ground.
Now it’s WAY more advanced and not unusual with top tier universities developing and marketing programs.
But…as Nick advised..you have to do your homework and make sure you’re not getting involved with a diploma mill or something more expensive than need be. The university I rec’d my degree from took great pains to ensure they vetted students well, and that they would not be viewed as a diploma mill. They were demanding & it was a quality experience.
The whole story is too long for a short note. In my case, I had attended evening college for a few years accumulating a misc pile of credits. Per my wife’s suggestion I glued that stuff together in community college with an AA (in accounting) and carried that into the distance learning program along with my life’s experience.
I accelerated the AA again per my wife’s suggestion by negotiating waivers from Dept heads again for life’s experience. I didn’t know you could do this but it sped things up. For instance. The AA required a course in “supervision” I was a working Manager. It required a programming course..I was a programmer and I was cleared to just test out (i.e write a program) . The person may consider this.
The gist of my note is, per personal experience, is distance learning does work, was worth the time, and was and has been recognized by industry as perfectly valid since my degree comes from a recognized university.
It did speed things up, and fit the need at the time. my working life was such that it would have been nearly impossible or insane to do bricks and mortar with the commute times and handle my workload.
Go for it

By Eddie
December 18, 2012 at 9:52 am

In addition to vetting the school, even if it is bona-fide, How do you “pick the winners”? I have a CS degree from 25 years ago, and graduated into a down economy unable to leverage my training. I went into hardware an allied field and was quite sucessful. Now no one is even considering my CS education because it is so long ago. For hardware positiions, I have the “wrong degree” and now viewed as a “non degreed” Engineer. I have taken design courses, but when applying for various positions Iwas told I am trained in another software package that they do not use. I could be blowing away scarce funds chasing rainbows training for skills that rapidly disappear. Education is a big expenditure how do you pick the correct field?

By Don Harkness
December 18, 2012 at 10:10 am

I agree with Hank. No one ever asked in my decades or working. Even in some very anal companies, it boiled down to degree or no degree, but the degree could be in about anything.
@Eddie. Chase companies and research culture. As I noted above, my degree was in Business Admin with a minor in Accounting. But I spent my working life as a manager in Software Development R&D, surrounded by goose stepping computer scientists. Only once did anyone notice the rather strange scenario of someone with a BA working in the bowels of R&D.
And as a manager, and this applies to my peers as well, no one gave a hoot about your 25 year old degree. By definition whatever it was in, was based on ancient history. What you did in the last 5 years prevailed.
While the CS world divides into hardware & software, each of which thinks the other weird, it’s not that unusual for them to cross over to their dark side and work in the other.
So research companies and find hiring managers who want people who can do the job and not get wrapped around the axle of which degree you have, or in some mindless cases, not only that, but if you got it from the right university.
And don’t apologize for working in hardware with a CS degree. That means you’re walking around with a better working understanding of computer engineering than your peers. Flaunt it

By Shirl
December 19, 2012 at 11:04 am

This is a situation I have been considering as well, except my thoughts are for a MBA. I have 25 years experience in Admin Mgmt/Supervision with accounting and budgeting in the mix. Yet I need to continue to work for at least the next 18 years and basically cannot even get an interview into higher paying positions unless I have that Master’s degree.

My struggle question is…do I go for it? There is a very good university offering what I thought to pursue online and in class just up the road.

Thirty years ago a bachelors was the top level education for my current field….now it seems to be a Masters. Is it worth it??

As for online courses…both brother and sister-in-law have MBA from online systems. Both have stated that if you consider taking classes be prepared to have no life while in school and working full time.

In this job climate it is well worth it to have a Bachelor’s and even a Master’s, depending upon the field.

ps…I appreciate all the comments regarding the online programs. When one searches for information all types of colleges hit the email accounts with offers.

By Dave
December 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm

@Eddie

I’m with Don on this one. If a company rejects you because you have a related degree and decades of experience in what they want, it’s their problem not yours. It shows that those in charge have little clue on how to properly assess value in regards education and experience.

By George
December 19, 2012 at 10:12 pm

Hi,

I went back to school a few years ago (KSU Manhattan) and did what they called “quizzing out of classes”. I needed just 30 units of under grad work to get the BSCS… I earned 15 of these in just one semester by quizzing out of classes. I ended up taking English Comp 2; Matrix Algebra; Deductive Logic; and a few other classes and ended up taking 3 post grad classes.

By marybeth
December 24, 2012 at 7:09 pm

In my last job, I ran an online master’s program (MPH or master’s in public health) at a large state university for 8 years, so this week’s q & a are near and dear to my heart!

The letter writer needs to be concerned with accredition, both at the university level (regional accredition) and at the school/program level (this is most common for professional schools and programs–law, medicine, business, nursing, pharmacy, etc.). The LW needs to find out of the university is REGIONALLY accredited. Regional accreditation is the gold standard, the Good Housekeeping stamp of approval that universities and colleges need to stay open. Each geographic region in the US has an organization that accredits universities in that region. For example, in my region, it is the New England Association of Schools and Colleges that accredits colleges and universities in New England. If the university LW is considering is located in the south or midwest, then those regions will have their own accrediting organizations. He can check out who has accredited that university (regionally) by visiting their website and can verify it by cross checking it on the accrediting body’s website AND on the Dept. of Education’s website. He can find a list of regional accreditation organizations on the DOE’s website.

Some schools and programs within regionally accredited universities must also be accredited by their own accrediting bodies. These tend to be professional schools–medicine, law, public health, business, pharmacy, nursing, etc. For example, law schools must also be accredited by the ABA (American Bar Association), schools of public health and health sciences by CEPH (Council on Education for Public Health), medical schools by the AMA and another accrediting body, etc. Business schools have their own accredition to meet on top of their university’s regional accreditation requirements.

LW needs to make sure that both the college/university is regionally accredited and that its business school is accredited. Otherwise, it would be a waste of time and money to attend a school and get a degree from a program that isn’t accredited. Employers often require it.

Beware of any university or program that proclaims to be “nationally” accredited or “internationally” accredited. At least here, there is no such thing. You need to look for the appropriate REGIONAL accredition and then make sure that the professional school/program is also accredited. For example, UMass is accredited–it is regionally accredited by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges, and if you were considering a public health degree, then you’d want to make sure that their SPH is CEPH-accredited (they are). To my knowledge, there is no separate organization that accredits online schools and programs, nor should there be. They should be accredited by the same organizations that accredit the brick and mortar schools and programs.

With regards to online programs, they vary, just as traditional campus-based colleges and programs do. When considering an online program, find out if the program is ENTIRELY online, that is, can you the student complete the entire program without ever having to come to campus. There are many online programs out there, but many of them have residency requirements. Students may be required to come to campus once per year, twice per year, for a week, two weeks, a month, two months, etc. Some online programs require their students to come to campus to take all of their exams. That’s fine if you live locally and your work and family schedule permits it. It doesn’t work so well if the program is in Georgia, you live in California, you face deployments (no guarantee that you’ll even have time to take mid-terms, finals, etc. as scheduled). Ask about these matters up front before you make any commitments or even apply. And even if you live “locally”, don’t discount changes in your life that mean you might move before you finish the degree….then what? Will the program/school work with you so you can finish? If not, think very carefully about applying.

Regarding the whole academic credit for life experience matter, this too will vary from college to college, from program to program. Some are very good, have clear standards, and you know exactly what is acceptable and what isn’t. Others, like the university without walls (undergraduate program) at my old employer, were fickle and flighty–the UWW program was run through Cont. Ed., and they basically granted credit if you had breath in your body and pulse with no nexus to anything remotely connected to the academics. There was a single mother on welfare who had never worked at a job at all and she got academic credit for math and English, then struggled in her courses because her “life experience” wasn’t sufficient to allow her to be able to apply the basic principles of math and English to college courses. For those with test-out options, find out if testing out means the faculty waive a certain course requirement and only that or if you also get credit for testing out. In my old program, an intro biostats course is required for the degree. The biostats dept. allowed students to test out of pubhlth 540 (intro biostats). Students were given the 540 final exam, and if they scored a grade of B or better, then the biostats dept. waived the 540 requirement. But….it didn’t help them credit wise, because they still had to take 42 credits for the mph degree, so what testing out of biostats meant was that the 540 course itself was waived but they still had to pick up another course at the 500 level to make up for the credits.

If you’re thinking about returning to school, either to finish a degree or to start one, please consider a community college. Not only are they often the best deal around financially, but many community colleges also have transfer compacts with larger state colleges and universities, so if you do well academically at the community college and apply to the state university or college, then you’re guaranteed a seat and you’ll start as a junior. You take all of the general courses at the community college, do well, they transfer and you start at the state university as a junior in your major. One of the local community colleges in my area costs $2,000…a bargain considering that the same courses for the same first two years at the state university cost $18,000+. Community colleges also offer smaller classes, faculty whose focus is on students and teaching. For those who have been out of school for a while, it is often a better way to ease back into school. Like other schools and formats and programs, it isn’t for everyone, but it is an option you should consider. Community colleges have also gotten on the online bandwagon, and many offer online courses, either entirely online or in a blended/mixed format. That too would give you a good way to test out online courses before deciding on whether an online program is right for you.

Nick and LW–I apologize for the length of this posting, and yet there is so much more I have to say! If the LW is interested, I would be delighted to communicate (talk, email, meet in person if s/he lives in my area) to discuss this matter further. As you can tell, I’m passionate about education, and I do believe in online education, but with caveats, and nothing is more disturbing than seeing someone go into something for the wrong reasons or because s/he lacked enough information to make an informed, educated decision, and even worse, who sticks with it because s/he doesn’t know how to get out of it. Nick, you have my permission to give LW my email address and to contact me, should s/he have questions and wish to discuss online education and higher ed (in general). I didn’t work with undergrads, but I could still suggest questions the LW should ask and steer her/him in the right direction.

By marybeth
December 24, 2012 at 7:18 pm

@Shirl: your questions are valid and you should consider your options seriously. One thing most people don’t realize is that online courses are A LOT of work, much more than traditional, face-to-face courses. This goes for both students and faculty. And when you’re at the master’s level, then yes, expect to have to put in a lot of work and to basically have no life outside of work and school, even if an online program was meant to give you more free time so you wouldn’t have to commute to school. My old employer offers a completely online (i.e., no residency requirements) MBA program. UMass offers prospective students the chance to try out online courses before making a commitment to the program or applying for admission. You can take classes as a non-degree (non-matriculated) student. This gives you a chance to suss out the courses, the program, the university, the school, the online format, the whole shebang. There’s a limit to how many you can take as an non-degree student, but these will transfer towards your degree should you apply for admission and be admitted (and it often makes you a stronger candidate for admission if you take the program’s own courses and do well). I don’t know as much about the online MBA program because I didn’t work for it, but if you’re interested, let me know and I’ll send you links and contacts (people you can contact) there.

And yes, you’re right–today the degree that businesses like to see is the MBA (30 years ago a bachelor’s degree would have been sufficient, but not now). “Degree creep” is alive and well and very real.

By Tim
January 8, 2013 at 9:04 am

Quite a few years ago, I advised people on college degree completion, among other things, and I have some suggestions for your correspondent who wants to get credit for life experiences. He should be sure that the school is accredited by the appropriate regional association, for example, the New England Association of Schools and Colleges. The Federal Department of Education lists on-line the accrediting associations that it recognizes, but some of them are next to worthless. Stick to the ones that are regionally accredited, as Marybeth suggests. Also beware of profit-making schools. They are generally not very good, and credits there may well not be recognized by colleges and universities that are members of one of the regional associations.

The Reagents of the University of the State of New York has an external degree program that has been in existence for a long time and is well respected. It is not easy; one cannot complete it quickly, nor without proving that one has the knowledge to qualify.
Now, many respected universities offer what your correspondent needs. I would suggest that he start with a nearby university where he can sit down and talk to someone about getting a degree using his life experiences for credit, taking the College Level Examination Program (CLEP) tests for some more credit, and perhaps some on-line courses, as well as some courses where he has to actually attend.

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By CoachT
January 15, 2013 at 1:37 pm

“Life Experience” degree generally comes with a serious caveat; any that offer the whole degree, no testing or additional coursework required, based on a quick review of a resume, should be examined with a highly raised eyebrow. That’s not how a real and accredited life-experience evaluation is usually done.

There are any number of ways to earn credit for your experience. Almost all legit colleges/universities will allow a credit by departmental examination option. Most also accept AP/CLEP/DANTES/ACT-PEP standardized exams. Most will award credit based on ACE recommendations for military and corporate training that’s been evaluated. Some will evaluate portfolios of your work for credit.

VERY few people would be able to prove equivalent learning to a full bachelor’s degree with no additional courses – our American bachelor’s degree is simply to wide an area of study. ["very few", not "none" - it's possible in theory]

There are three regionally accredited colleges/universities offering distance learning degrees in the US that are well known for their ability to evaluate prior learning and applying it to a degree program – in distance learning they’re called “the Big Three” and are Excelsior College (NY), Thomas Edison State College (NJ), and Charter Oak State College (Ct) — these are among the best to consolidate existing learning into a completed associates or bachelor’s degree because they’re very-very experienced doing so. It’s what Excelsior College (formerly Regents College of the University of the State of New York) was created to do long before there was such a thing as an online class.

But when looking at taking courses, online or in-the-seat, the options are massive. Everyone and his brother teaches online these days from the likes of Harvard and UC-Berkeley all the way to East Podunk Technical College. The quality of learning won’t be the same amongst them nor will be the course difficulty. AsSeenOnTV University isn’t the only option anymore and is rarely the best.

My experiences: over the past thirty-three years I’ve collected two bachelor’s and three master’s degrees in addition to a pile of technical certificates and diplomas. One bachelor’s and 1.5 of my master’s was done wholly online. NOBODY has ever asked how or where I completed my classes. Sometimes they want to chat about the area the school is in, but they never ask “was that an online degree?”

I tested out of over 1/2 of my undergrad back before there was internet even. Nobody ever asked me “did you take English 101 in the class or did you CLEP it?” – they only ask “Do you have a degree?” and then sometimes check to see if I really do.

PS: online classes are generally more difficult and more time consuming than the same class in-the-seat at the same school. I know this from a lot of personal experience. If you want to fail, go in thinking that online=easy. Most credit by exam options are more difficult/thorough than just taking the class too.

By JohnS
January 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm

“And don’t apologize for working in hardware with a CS degree. That means you’re walking around with a better working understanding of computer engineering than your peers. Flaunt it”

I’m sorry, but this advice is just plain wrong. You do need the correct degree to be taken seriously at most large companies. Any Engineering degree, Hardware or Software allows you to work in Hardware or Software Engineering, or Systems Engineering. A CS degree does not, it may allow you to use the title Software Engineer but I’m sorry, you are not an Engineer with a CS degree. Not any kind of Engineer.

If you want to be a Doctor of Medicine, you take an MD, not a PhD in Nursing. If you want to be an Engineer, you must have an Engineering degree. Not Engineering Technology, not Computer Science, but Engineering. Check with ABET, you’ll see that Computing programs are separate and distinct from Engineering programs.
This naive advice will get you laughed at by hiring Engineering Managers, it may be fine to get a coding job writing software depending on where you hope to work.

By Chrissy C
January 16, 2013 at 7:02 pm

Lot’s of well-known schools are giving life credit at the moment. Even if they don’t, there is still CLEP that most colleges take. That is, you pass a test instead of taking the class. Can help get rid of some GA classes.

By marybeth
January 21, 2013 at 2:31 pm

Thanks Tim. I’d forgotten about the CLEP, probably because I haven’t worked with incoming undergraduates in such a long time. CLEPPING your way through is a good way to get credit and thus shorten the amount of time you need to spend to get a degree.

While I understand a prospective student’s desire to get a degree quickly, I’ve always been skeptical about anyone who wants something for life experience. It was a very common question when I ran the online MPH program–I’d get doctors and nurses and everyone else calling me to demand how many credits we would waive for “life experience” so they could get the degree lickety-split. So they want the degree, but don’t want to do the work for it. A public health degree isn’t a medical degree or a nursing degree or a pharmacy degree or a social work degree, and just because we offered it online didn’t mean that students didn’t have to EARN it. There’s some overlap between those fields, but they’re not interchangeable, as many students learned once they started taking classes. And if life experience or previous college degrees were sufficient to waive all or some future degree requirements, then universities would be granting Ph.Ds and other terminal degrees when students completed their bachelors’ degrees. That isn’t how it works, and if any college or university (online or traditional) tells you otherwise, or tells you that all you have to do is pay and you’ll get a diploma, well, that’s a diploma mill at best and a scam at worst. Getting a degree isn’t like going to Wal-Mart to buy a bicycle–you simply don’t hand over cash and get the goods. With a degree, you the student has to do the work, demonstrate that you understand the material, earn those grades in the courses you take. And too is what makes the whole “use your life experience and get a college degree” thing so hard. How does the college assess the life experience? How does it apply and towards what? If you worked in sales and the next applicant worked in computers (or was a stay-at-home mom), you’re comparing apples and oranges and each of those applicants will argue with you to the death that their “life experience” is more valid and therefore is worth more academic credit than the next person’s life experience.

By don
January 22, 2013 at 1:18 pm

@John S. Spoken like a goose stepping EE. You’re right & wrong. Having worked in small and large companies, it is true that mega corporations get lazy and brain dead with their hiring practices…they forget the basic hiring need. “Can you do the job? or have the potential to do so? then instituionalize degreedness. In that environment, the CS guy wouldn’t get a look and you’re right a laugh.
Most likely the CS guy would move from with after winning respect for their know how…and do. Is it common? No Is it impossible. No.
Sorry John but it doesn’t take an engineering degree to design hardware. I’ve seen tech writers migrate to engineering, and worked for a non degreed h/w tech who designed a mini computer that made millions for the company. I stand on my point. A software guy who can design hardware…who has demonstrated that they can do so…is way more valuable than a hardware engineer.
and yes I do see where you’re coming from. Real men are ENGINEERS but in the world of computers, engineering companies always have the same epiphany…it’s a software game.
So that CS guy just needs to find a company that hasn’t put themselves into a mindless rut of connecting degrees to capability..and connect people to the ability to do a job..and he/she will likely find a savvy engineering manager who doesn’t value window dressing over experience.

By DontGiveUp
February 18, 2013 at 9:32 pm

When I decided to finish my BSCS started at a conventional 4 year state school about three decades ago, I investigated many degree programs designed for working people. I ultimately decided on an external degree program because of the flexibility in what credits were accepted for a degree, and the variety of methods available to acquire those credits. The school is regionally accredited, and accepted only regionally accredited courses (when I started they only did matriculation, didn’t offer any courses of their own, although they do now). The idea is to gather credits by any means possible, and transfer them in.

I originally expected to use testing to acquire as many credits as possible (and it is possible in the right circumstances). But finding tests I thought I could pass wasn’t easy, as the typical assessment method is with standardized tests, which didn’t cover many of the credits I needed. Otherwise, you could try to test out of an existing course by passing essentially the equivalent of a final exam. But this may not be cheaper than just taking the course, and figuring out how to study for something yourself isn’t easy. Sometimes a school or an independent company offered guided learning modules for standardized tests, but it wasn’t clear to me this would be any cheaper or less effort than just taking a conventional course. Even so, I accumulated about two semesters worth of credits (30) using standardized testing.

As for “life experience”, several of the larger external degree schools offer prior learning assessment when a pre-existing test isn’t readily available. But after studying the handbooks for how to do this, again I wasn’t sure whether this would be any easier or less risky than just taking a regular course. The typical approach is to find an existing course with with type of credits you want, then document your learning to correlate with the curriculum of that course. Preferably by matching as closely as possible the syllabus of that course. Your knowledge has to be documented in an objective and easily verifiable way. Sort of like writing the biggest term paper of your life.

So I ended up using regular courses to acquire most of my credits after all. Luckily, for lower division credits, I had access to a wonderful community college system that was very inexpensive and provided a wide array of courses after business hours. But even there I did several courses online if the college was far away. Quality of instruction was at least as good as the four year school, while classes were limited to no more than 30 students. Did all upper division courses online at various out-of-state universities, since the local state schools didn’t seem very interested in accommodating working students. And much cheaper than you might think, since I looked for less expensive but good state supported schools. Average upper division credit cost was $300, including textbooks and other incidentals (five years ago). Curiously, I noticed little difference in the pedagogy, quality, or rigor of those online courses, despite using schools scattered across the country.

Although my matriculating school had a course database to search, I ended up putting a lot of effort into finding the courses I needed on my own. But this wasn’t all bad, because I could take pretty much what I wanted from just about anywhere. I even considered courses from a Canadian university (the Canadian dollar was very cheap at the time) that had the requisite US regional accreditation. And I knew exactly how any course I took would apply to my degree because all were pre-approved by my adviser. So no wasted credits. Breakdown was roughly:

30 credits: transferred from four year school
30 credits: tested out
30 credits: local community college
30 credits: out-of-state schools

Depending on how many classes I took at a time and my prior knowledge, I put anywhere from 10 to 25 hours a week effort into coursework. Which was doable with a job that generally needed little overtime. The principle barrier to my finishing earlier wasn’t money, but the overtime my prior jobs required. Even though my employer paid for the degree, I figure it cost about $12000 (again, five years ago). Which is another factor in favor of the non-traditional route: can be much cheaper than conventional school. And the work and life experience of an older student definitely helps in getting better grades with less effort than for a typical college kid. Although online courses may save on commuting, overall I found they took at least as much time as a live course, and were not any easier, sometimes harder. In no small part due to the rigorous and mandatory participation requirements.

I shopped my nontraditional degree around to several online Masters programs offered by brick and mortar state universities. Almost all accepted. Sometimes I would be asked in interviews how I finished a degree in one state while working in another. I explained how the external degree worked, and nobody gagged. My overall impression is that no one cared how or where I obtained the degree.

By Josh Handson
March 15, 2013 at 11:36 pm

I received my masters degree online from an accredited university. I found it much more challenging than my undergrad work (in class). I think that if the program is accredited then it is worth it. I would never recommend obtaining a degree from an unaccredited university. I had no problems getting a secure job in the field I wanted with my degree.

By project download
June 4, 2014 at 1:42 am

when you looking at taking courses, online options are many available. Everyone brother teaches there education now online today. all the way to East Podunk Technical College. The quality of learning won’t be the same amongst them nor will be the course difficulty. but AsSeenOnTV University isn’t the only option anymore and is rarely the best.

according My experiences: over the past thirty-three years I’ve collected two bachelor’s and three master’s degrees in addition to a pile of technical certificates and diplomas. One bachelor’s was done wholly online. NOBODY has ever asked how or where I completed my classes. Sometimes they want to chat about the area the school is in, but they never ask “was that an online degree?”

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