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	<title>Comments on: How to Say It: Informational (gag!) Interviews</title>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/986/how-to-say-it-informational-gag-interviews/comment-page-1#comment-19060</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just curious, what is your opinion and how do your organizations react when someone internal to your organization asks for an informational interview in a different area without knowing anyone in those departments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just curious, what is your opinion and how do your organizations react when someone internal to your organization asks for an informational interview in a different area without knowing anyone in those departments?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  elephant in the room

Ironically, that&#039;s the name of the first chapter to _The Lonely American_.</description>
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<p>Ironically, that&#8217;s the name of the first chapter to _The Lonely American_.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/986/how-to-say-it-informational-gag-interviews/comment-page-1#comment-19040</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently saw this book named _The Lonely American_ in another discussion.  I&#039;m planning on reading it because it touches on one aspect that contributes to the ever-growing problem of loneliness throughout society.  The author summarizes it as &quot;the cult of busyness.&quot;

Linking up with people in the aforementioned 70&#039;s used to be fairly easy.  People had time for one another.  The networking was done without knowing it by that name nor &quot;informational interviews.&quot;

It has become fashionable to say that one does not have time for one&#039;s spouse, one&#039;s kids, etc. especially now with rising unemployment.  I do not fault those people who never bothered networking until they lost their jobs.  It&#039;s understandable, especially in climates and cultures that celebrate the person who works 70 hours a week.

Strategically speaking, I&#039;ve seen some who do get ahead and make networking contacts specifically take on assignments where they are seen by multiple persons in their industry and related industries too during those 70+ hours.

Meanwhile, I do find it interesting how studies say in 1985, the average person could name at least 2 to 5 extremely close friends to call for an emergency, e.g., to help them change a tire.  Nowadays, the same person may have 500+ friends on Facebook yet no one to assist with a flat.  This definitely has repercussions in the &quot;catastrophic event&quot; of suddenly needing a job, particularly if you were the kind who worked, worked, worked and neglected your network trying to maintain your job.

Since some time management courses have become popular as people try to do more with less, I&#039;d love to see the entry &quot;Build job network&quot; as an entry in those seminars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently saw this book named _The Lonely American_ in another discussion.  I&#8217;m planning on reading it because it touches on one aspect that contributes to the ever-growing problem of loneliness throughout society.  The author summarizes it as &#8220;the cult of busyness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Linking up with people in the aforementioned 70&#8242;s used to be fairly easy.  People had time for one another.  The networking was done without knowing it by that name nor &#8220;informational interviews.&#8221;</p>
<p>It has become fashionable to say that one does not have time for one&#8217;s spouse, one&#8217;s kids, etc. especially now with rising unemployment.  I do not fault those people who never bothered networking until they lost their jobs.  It&#8217;s understandable, especially in climates and cultures that celebrate the person who works 70 hours a week.</p>
<p>Strategically speaking, I&#8217;ve seen some who do get ahead and make networking contacts specifically take on assignments where they are seen by multiple persons in their industry and related industries too during those 70+ hours.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I do find it interesting how studies say in 1985, the average person could name at least 2 to 5 extremely close friends to call for an emergency, e.g., to help them change a tire.  Nowadays, the same person may have 500+ friends on Facebook yet no one to assist with a flat.  This definitely has repercussions in the &#8220;catastrophic event&#8221; of suddenly needing a job, particularly if you were the kind who worked, worked, worked and neglected your network trying to maintain your job.</p>
<p>Since some time management courses have become popular as people try to do more with less, I&#8217;d love to see the entry &#8220;Build job network&#8221; as an entry in those seminars.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite ATH articles that I share with my clients reads:

48. Who does the work you want to do?
All the corn pone &quot;wisdom&quot; about job change and career development comes up short of this simple truth: The best help you&#039;ll get in your search for a new job will come from people who do the work you want to do. They will teach you:

What the work is all about 
What it takes to be successful at it 
How to apply your existing skills to that work 
How to develop additional skills you will need 
How to avoid wasting your time in your search for the right job 
Who can hire you 
How to meet the people who can hire you 
How to prepare a demonstration of your relevant abilities 
What to expect in an interview 
What to expect from the job 
How to win the job 

All you need do to get this wonderful advice is find someone who does the work you want to do, and ask for it. Why waste time doing anything else? With all this help available from real experts, who needs career counselors, want ads, resumes or headhunters?

Any new job should start with this question: Who does the work you want to do?


Call this interaction anything you like, but don&#039;t get hung up on the name.  Make the connections, and leave your resume in the car.

&#039;Unmet needs... you anticipate&#039;?  Reminds me of the memo to all project managers to &#039;submit a list of all unforeseen problems at the outset of every project&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite ATH articles that I share with my clients reads:</p>
<p>48. Who does the work you want to do?<br />
All the corn pone &#8220;wisdom&#8221; about job change and career development comes up short of this simple truth: The best help you&#8217;ll get in your search for a new job will come from people who do the work you want to do. They will teach you:</p>
<p>What the work is all about<br />
What it takes to be successful at it<br />
How to apply your existing skills to that work<br />
How to develop additional skills you will need<br />
How to avoid wasting your time in your search for the right job<br />
Who can hire you<br />
How to meet the people who can hire you<br />
How to prepare a demonstration of your relevant abilities<br />
What to expect in an interview<br />
What to expect from the job<br />
How to win the job </p>
<p>All you need do to get this wonderful advice is find someone who does the work you want to do, and ask for it. Why waste time doing anything else? With all this help available from real experts, who needs career counselors, want ads, resumes or headhunters?</p>
<p>Any new job should start with this question: Who does the work you want to do?</p>
<p>Call this interaction anything you like, but don&#8217;t get hung up on the name.  Make the connections, and leave your resume in the car.</p>
<p>&#8216;Unmet needs&#8230; you anticipate&#8217;?  Reminds me of the memo to all project managers to &#8216;submit a list of all unforeseen problems at the outset of every project&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: Debra Feldman, JobWhiz Executive Talent Agent</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/986/how-to-say-it-informational-gag-interviews/comment-page-1#comment-18981</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra Feldman, JobWhiz Executive Talent Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One piece of advice that I think is always good to remember was referred to in Nick&#039;s comment,&quot; Don&#039;t put me on the spot.&quot; Never ask anyone if they can offer or give you a job. That is imposing on the employer and it may make them feel responsible for your livelihood and family&#039;s welfare. 

Rather you want to approach each business interaction as an equal player in a fruitful discussion. If you enter as a job seeker, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage as a subordinate or worse, a beggar. As the one asking for the appointment, you want to be prepared with topics of mutual interest and you want to be sure to give the employer something that will be valuable to them, both because it politely reciprocates their time and it may be a way to etch you into their memory so that the good impression you make stays on their radar screen as suitable opportunities surface in the future. 

You are far more apt to benefit from exploratory meetings if the target contact is given a reason to find you remarkable. If you are memorable then you&#039;ll get a lot more mileage than if you merely transact business a single time. 

How is informational interviewing different than networking? To me, there are striking similarities. Each requires that the person initiating the connection should not just be taking or asking, but also giving to the other party. The emphasis should be on developing a relationship, not focused on a one time only transaction ( no job for me, ta ta to you!) So as Nick said so perfectly, do not put your contact on the spot asking for a job lead, rather approach the meeting as a chance to exchange information. Believe me everyone can see through attempts to camouflage a job searching expedition. Avoid awkwardness and rejection by making certain all your dialogues are meaningful and valuable to both parties. 

Debra Feldman, JobWhiz, Executive Talent Agent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One piece of advice that I think is always good to remember was referred to in Nick&#8217;s comment,&#8221; Don&#8217;t put me on the spot.&#8221; Never ask anyone if they can offer or give you a job. That is imposing on the employer and it may make them feel responsible for your livelihood and family&#8217;s welfare. </p>
<p>Rather you want to approach each business interaction as an equal player in a fruitful discussion. If you enter as a job seeker, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage as a subordinate or worse, a beggar. As the one asking for the appointment, you want to be prepared with topics of mutual interest and you want to be sure to give the employer something that will be valuable to them, both because it politely reciprocates their time and it may be a way to etch you into their memory so that the good impression you make stays on their radar screen as suitable opportunities surface in the future. </p>
<p>You are far more apt to benefit from exploratory meetings if the target contact is given a reason to find you remarkable. If you are memorable then you&#8217;ll get a lot more mileage than if you merely transact business a single time. </p>
<p>How is informational interviewing different than networking? To me, there are striking similarities. Each requires that the person initiating the connection should not just be taking or asking, but also giving to the other party. The emphasis should be on developing a relationship, not focused on a one time only transaction ( no job for me, ta ta to you!) So as Nick said so perfectly, do not put your contact on the spot asking for a job lead, rather approach the meeting as a chance to exchange information. Believe me everyone can see through attempts to camouflage a job searching expedition. Avoid awkwardness and rejection by making certain all your dialogues are meaningful and valuable to both parties. </p>
<p>Debra Feldman, JobWhiz, Executive Talent Agent</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Schult</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/986/how-to-say-it-informational-gag-interviews/comment-page-1#comment-18972</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Schult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As part of my career change, I have asked for informational interviews as part of my research into various careers in order to get fine detail information that doesn&#039;t get into the more generalized job descriptions on O*Net and other such places. In these cases, I have talked to people who were friends of friends as well as people I met online who had credentials and experience that matched my interests. However, this was comfortable only because I could keep it clear that I was only looking for information and not for a job.

I have always hated the term &quot;informational interview&quot; and the way it is presented as a way of getting your foot in the door with an organization, though. Part of the problem I have with networking in general as it&#039;s described by many job hunting books is that it seems all about taking and not at all about giving. As a job hunter, I realize that I will be on the receiving end mostly, and that my turn to give will be when I&#039;m working in the field, but I prefer that such transactions happen with people I know or who are close friends of close friends rather than people whose names I&#039;ve been able to pry out of mere acquaintances.

When I begin an active job hunt, I will need to get information from my network about specific organizations. That will make the standard informational interview even less attractive because I will be in the position of looking for work rather than just information. Then I will only be comfortable talking to people who are known well by people I know well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of my career change, I have asked for informational interviews as part of my research into various careers in order to get fine detail information that doesn&#8217;t get into the more generalized job descriptions on O*Net and other such places. In these cases, I have talked to people who were friends of friends as well as people I met online who had credentials and experience that matched my interests. However, this was comfortable only because I could keep it clear that I was only looking for information and not for a job.</p>
<p>I have always hated the term &#8220;informational interview&#8221; and the way it is presented as a way of getting your foot in the door with an organization, though. Part of the problem I have with networking in general as it&#8217;s described by many job hunting books is that it seems all about taking and not at all about giving. As a job hunter, I realize that I will be on the receiving end mostly, and that my turn to give will be when I&#8217;m working in the field, but I prefer that such transactions happen with people I know or who are close friends of close friends rather than people whose names I&#8217;ve been able to pry out of mere acquaintances.</p>
<p>When I begin an active job hunt, I will need to get information from my network about specific organizations. That will make the standard informational interview even less attractive because I will be in the position of looking for work rather than just information. Then I will only be comfortable talking to people who are known well by people I know well.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/986/how-to-say-it-informational-gag-interviews/comment-page-1#comment-18961</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it works with me, but here is my unique situation:  I am a professional past mid-career with a very fat rolodex of relationships I have developed over 30 years.  

I am calling people who have had previous interactions with me (all positive, I am hoping and assuming), and their willingness to talk to me is based as much on personal loyalty, and the knowledge that I probably have some good inside information on the local civic environment they can use, as much as anything else.  

But, yes, everybody I meet with knows I am looking for job and/or consulting leads, although not with them (so that takes the pressure off).  I think I would probably approach it differently if these were cold calls to people who did not know me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it works with me, but here is my unique situation:  I am a professional past mid-career with a very fat rolodex of relationships I have developed over 30 years.  </p>
<p>I am calling people who have had previous interactions with me (all positive, I am hoping and assuming), and their willingness to talk to me is based as much on personal loyalty, and the knowledge that I probably have some good inside information on the local civic environment they can use, as much as anything else.  </p>
<p>But, yes, everybody I meet with knows I am looking for job and/or consulting leads, although not with them (so that takes the pressure off).  I think I would probably approach it differently if these were cold calls to people who did not know me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Corcodilos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Corcodilos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments on this thread... there&#039;s a fine line between making contact and prying for a job. Here&#039;s one thing that tips me off (though it seems to work for Larry Kaplan anyway!):

**I am moving on to explore new directions, challenges and opportunities.**

That tells me you want to meet because you&#039;re looking for a job. Now, there&#039;s nothing wrong with that - but come out and tell me. Or leave it off the table entirely and don&#039;t put me on the spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments on this thread&#8230; there&#8217;s a fine line between making contact and prying for a job. Here&#8217;s one thing that tips me off (though it seems to work for Larry Kaplan anyway!):</p>
<p>**I am moving on to explore new directions, challenges and opportunities.**</p>
<p>That tells me you want to meet because you&#8217;re looking for a job. Now, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that &#8211; but come out and tell me. Or leave it off the table entirely and don&#8217;t put me on the spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the concern may lie w/ the language - &#039;informational interview&#039;. In calling the right person at the right organization, after having done the right research (marketing 101 - know your target audience) - the job seeker can indicate why they&#039;re calling - company has an excellent reputation, innovators in their field, latest and greatest product/service, etc. - then indicate what applicable education/experience the job seeker has to offer - done intelligently, your target will me interested in meeting with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the concern may lie w/ the language &#8211; &#8216;informational interview&#8217;. In calling the right person at the right organization, after having done the right research (marketing 101 &#8211; know your target audience) &#8211; the job seeker can indicate why they&#8217;re calling &#8211; company has an excellent reputation, innovators in their field, latest and greatest product/service, etc. &#8211; then indicate what applicable education/experience the job seeker has to offer &#8211; done intelligently, your target will me interested in meeting with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://corcodilos.com/blog/986/how-to-say-it-informational-gag-interviews/comment-page-1#comment-18954</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about semantics, and positioning the meeting as an opportunity to exchange ideas.  Here is the rap I do when asking for these kinds of meetings:

&quot;After X years leading Y Organization, I am moving on to explore new directions, challenges and opportunities.  I’m hoping we might catch up and schedule some time together. I have uncovered some interesting things I’d like to tell you about, and at the same time would like your feedback on how you feel I might best continue my contributions in the non-profit, government and public affairs sectors. So, I’d like to sit down with you one of these days to chat and get some ideas---pick your brain and garner some advice.  Can I buy you a cuppa coffee?  I will be in touch soon to see when we can set something up.&quot;

About half the people I send this email to respond almost immediately without a follow-up phone call to schedule something.  I have met with 90% of the people I outreached to.  This is how I have been doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about semantics, and positioning the meeting as an opportunity to exchange ideas.  Here is the rap I do when asking for these kinds of meetings:</p>
<p>&#8220;After X years leading Y Organization, I am moving on to explore new directions, challenges and opportunities.  I’m hoping we might catch up and schedule some time together. I have uncovered some interesting things I’d like to tell you about, and at the same time would like your feedback on how you feel I might best continue my contributions in the non-profit, government and public affairs sectors. So, I’d like to sit down with you one of these days to chat and get some ideas&#8212;pick your brain and garner some advice.  Can I buy you a cuppa coffee?  I will be in touch soon to see when we can set something up.&#8221;</p>
<p>About half the people I send this email to respond almost immediately without a follow-up phone call to schedule something.  I have met with 90% of the people I outreached to.  This is how I have been doing it.</p>
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